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3 Dimensional Chat / [LOCKED] [WIP] Immortal People pack

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Quik
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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 22:45
Quote: "Quik: YES, it is stealing. People put a LOT of hard work into models and programs and they have every right to sell\them have them exclusively for a game\blablabla. When you take something you have not paid for, and it was not a PAID FOR gift, can you call that ANYTHING other than stealing?"


no u dont TAKE anything, u copy it without even touching it. iam not saying it should be legal, which i dont think it should be, iam just saying that it is not stealing.


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Kravenwolf
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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 22:46 Edited at: 28th Apr 2010 22:50
Quote: "simply stay on topic"


The original thread starter was banned for piracy. I'd say this thread hasn't strayed too far away from that subject.

Quote: "no, it is copying, last time i checked copying an object isnt stealing eh? therefore copying a virtual file isnt stealing"


Copying a virtual file for yourself as a backup, is in fact, acceptable in many software license agreements. However, redistributing that file to anyone other than the original buyer is piracy. Obtaining a piece of software that costs money that you didn't pay for, rather ripped from a website torrent, is piracy. Doesn't matter if people 'don't think' this is stealing, because the law says it is.

EDIT: Quik, read your new reply. I believe the technical term you're looking for would be copyright infringement.

Now, are my intentions to fine everyone on that website $100,000 while they're sitting in jail for pirating a few of my models, and several hundred dollars in other assets? Absolutely not. It's been said before; and I agree. That doesn't fit the punishment. My main objective is to see the website shut down. Now, if the BSA manages to arrange a small fine to some of the bigger contributors there, I won't object. The bigger the punishment, the less likely people are to do it again.

@rolfy, thanks for the heads up. I've been sending a few reports to mediafire/megaupload, and they've been taking down some of the torrents. I've also referred those reports to the BSA. The way that I figure it, the more 'evidence' I submit to them, the more likely they are to pursue action.

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mike5424
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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 22:46
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Mike: No, I do not know what you mean."

I'm just a man! But seriousely, It was just a mistake.

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Cyborg ART
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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 22:47
Just because the a game or a model have an "unlimited" ammount of copies its doesnt mean that the creator wont loose money when someone steals or "copies it" (same as stealing...)

If someone steals a model or game, then he wouldn't need to buy the game or model.
That way the creator looses money.

Its like stealing a toothpick, even if you just take one out of a box which contains millions, its still stealing and illegal.


So I say, buy what you want and dont even think of downloading anything illegal. Even tough you think "its just one download, who cares?"

JLMoondog
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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 22:48
Quote: "o u dont TAKE anything, u copy it without even touching it. iam not saying it should be legal, which i dont think it should be, iam just saying that it is not stealing."


Your not making any sense, you obviously have no concept on law and copyrights. So what is your view on plagiarism then? [sarcasm]Your not actually copying the book! Your just 'copy+paste' a line or two from an online copy to your own novel/essay. It's not stealing, it's just copying, your not really touching the words![/sarcasm]


Quik
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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 23:00
i give up.. call it whatever.


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General Jackson
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 00:11 Edited at: 29th Apr 2010 00:46
Quote: "But seriousely, It was just a mistake."

Its called a slip-up. It shows you do know its stealing but dont want to admit it, because you have pirated things in the past (very obvious, sir)

Asteric
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 00:42
This is getting close to a flame war. Therefore i will not post my opinion on the matter.

Master Man Of Justice
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 00:57
Quote: "Mike: No, I do not know what you mean.
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Thats how my 7 year old cousin acts.

Quote: "
This is getting close to a flame war. Therefore i will not post my opinion on the matter.
"

I dont know, i think we should all post our opinions without bashing each other, but respectful arguments, although i dont know how the hell we ended up arguing over whether piracy was wrong or not

lazerus
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 01:05
I think it should be called here.

Everyone has had thier say an it just boils down to knit picking from here on.

Asteric noticed this aswell.

Morally right or wrong is being mixed up with lawfully right and wrong. Ethier way we wont get anywhere else from here;

Quote: "Its like stealing a toothpick, even if you just take one out of a box which contains millions, its still stealing and illegal.
"


Thats pretty much it.

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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 01:25
Your right me thinkest.

KeithC
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 05:49
Quote: "and assuming someone pirated a software only because they believe otherwise than u is just plain stupid!"

I see; so now we're insulting moderators?

Have a nice vacation.

(I'm giving you this free of charge, by the way).

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Gingerkid Jack
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 10:01
I once stole a grape from the supermarket. You know to see what they taste like

Gingerkid Jack - Aspiring Game Designer\3d Modeler
Hassan
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 15:27
hey cool thread
i want to pirate a copy of visual studio 2010!! (12k$ only, who cares? )

KeithC
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 16:48
Quote: "i want to pirate a copy of visual studio 2010!!"

So you're saying you would like a vacation from the Forums here as well?

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lazerus
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 17:27
Lol i think hes being sarcastic Kieth. At this point i would say nobody is stupid enough to admit to doing that but this thread has proved me wrong.

ahh 'teh' webs, they never cease to ammuse me.

JLMoondog
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 17:36
KeithC amuses me.

Though I think this thread shows how many people have such opposite opinions on this subject...it's a little dis-concerning. :S


Chenak
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 18:02 Edited at: 29th Apr 2010 18:03
Fact digital or not. Doesn't matter if you think no one gets hurt, its still theft. However I do agree that insane copy protections particularly on games are worthless and have stopped me buying games for the pc almost completely.

There are plenty of free and cheap alternatives if you look, hell some are better than the professional tools.

Fact is he asked the website to take his products down, they didn't listen and removed so now they are going to get ruined and they deserve it.
mike5424
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 18:47
Quote: "I see; so now we're insulting moderators?

Have a nice vacation.

(I'm giving you this free of charge, by the way)."

He wasn't insutlting you, He was saying that it's a stupid thought not that you were stupid. I really dissagree with you banning him as he was just saying his oppinion.

Quote: "Its called a slip-up. It shows you do know its stealing but dont want to admit it, because you have pirated things in the past (very obvious, sir)"

It's called a lack of sleep. And, I'm going to ignore this thread from now on, I'm getting accused of pirating software because of a different opinion or typing something wrong. So, Whatever, Pirating software is worse than armed robbery, I don't care.

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KeithC
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 18:54
Quote: "Lol i think hes being sarcastic Kieth."

Yes; I figured with the smilies...so I threw my own sarcastic smilie in as well. Sarcasm is so hard to convey on the net sometimes. lol

Quote: "I really dissagree with you banning him as he was just saying his oppinion."

Opinion noted.

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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 18:57
Quote: "So you're saying you would like a vacation from the Forums here as well?"


Now really, two misunderstanding bans in one thread is unnecessary.

Your signature has been erased by a mod because of the forum's stupidly tiny restrictions, along with other things such as lack of automatic image resizing, and lack of embedding videos.
KeithC
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 19:00
Quote: "Now really, two misunderstanding bans in one thread is unnecessary."

If you're referring to the sarcastic reply, to the sarcastic reply...then that would be an incorrect statement. Which would mean that the sarcasm was negated all around.

As far as banning, and reasons for; I'm pretty sure I can judge that for myself. Thanks for the tip though.

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Quik
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 19:38
hi, just wanted to say that iam leavig this thread
also a big thanks for KeithC for unbanning me.

also a clarifier: the only things i have ever said here is that i belive that piracy should be punished with lesser charges, prison or an unpayable charge is a bit overkill, my opinion ofc
and i also only said that it isnt stealing, in my opinion again.

i never said i believe piracy should be allowed or not. and to put it straight: it should not.

my opinions before i leave the thread, just to clarify any missunderstandings.


[Q]uik, Quiker than most
Alucard94
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 20:54
Don't you think this thread is destine to sink soon? I mean this discussion has lead to absolutely nothing, and whilst I usually support those kinds of fun pointless arguments with my honor this is just getting dumb.
Piracy is wrong; don't do it, or else you get banned.
See how I cleared that up?


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Isocadia
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 20:58
Uh, I would like to remind that mike here is one of the few that has really bought 3DS max, and not found it "under a couch" or bought it somewhere on the street for 100$.

Isocadia

mike5424
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 21:33
I accidentaly clicked this thread and now i am glad i did. Once again, Isocadia, You have gave me hope Thanks Mate

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General Jackson
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 22:08
Quote: "Uh, I would like to remind that mike here is one of the few that has really bought 3DS max"


Wow, that was great evidence you provided

mike5424
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 22:20
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Wow, that was great evidence you provided"

What evidence can anyone provide? It's a matter of trust.

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General Jackson
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 22:26
A picture of the case.

Asteric
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 22:30
Whats with all of the negativity towards Mike all of a sudden?

Damn it, im supposed to be quiet.

mike5424
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 22:39
Quote: "A picture of the case."

As i said, It's a matter of trust, I could go and get a picture from google images. Who would know the difference? You could ask for a picture of me holding it but, Appart from the fact i don't put pics of myself on the internet, I could edit it to look like i'm holding it.

Quote: "Whats with all of the negativity towards Mike all of a sudden?"

My thought's exactly.

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Quik
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 22:39
okay, tbh, this is getting rediculus.

wops quiet it was.


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General Jackson
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 22:44
Quote: "Whats with all of the negativity towards Mike all of a sudden?""

The fact that he has no problem with piracy.

mike5424
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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 22:48
Quote: "The fact that he has no problem with piracy."

So that's what it is? You don't understand, I think it's wrong but not as bad as stealing a real object. I don't think it's right or anywhere near, I think you miss-understand what i mean

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Master Man Of Justice
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Posted: 30th Apr 2010 04:35 Edited at: 30th Apr 2010 04:37
Quote: "The fact that he has no problem with piracy."

Ok? im not the defender of all, but where in
Quote: "It isn't anywhere near as bad as stealing or almost any other crime"

does it say that he has no problem with it? he simply stated that its not as bad as blowing someones brains out or PHYSICALLY stealing which USUALLY involves THREATINING LIFE OR INJURY!!!


Im with mike here, i agree with him, and i dont agree with the people who,,, because of a statement seem to have the attitude of,,, well since you dont agree with me on the topic, your a bad person and im going to falsely accuse you with no evidence,,, in hopes of someone backing me up,,, which apparently a few people have.

With that said,,, why cant we all get a long

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oh and keith,, or someone who can,, can we lock this?

KeithC
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Posted: 30th Apr 2010 05:29
I agree; before someone says something they regret.

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