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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] Eureka finally a proof! (No proof provided in this thread, you all just misinterpreted the thread title)

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Pincho Paxton
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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:13 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 04:13
Quote: "Not really seeing as a lot of people reported seeing fairies way back when. "


yeah, you guys. You see asteroids just moving themselves towards the Earth, and particles in motion... just in motion.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:13 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 04:14
You really are acting like a child.

I've tried much harder to be respectful in this thread as I felt bad about slamming you in your last one, but you make it very hard not to be disrespectful to you, as you are to most of us on this subject.

I would take BiggAdd's advice and grow up.

EDIT: And now you're using my own statement in a passive-agressive way to indicate that what we see doesn't exist. Quaint.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:14
Grow up to follow Einstein, and Newton.. sounds great.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:15 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 04:17
Quote: "There is no such thing as a proof against faith. The best thing to do is tell people that they are right. You are right."


While that's certanly true, discussing faith - and possibly come to an agreement somewhere, maybe even converting the other person to beliving otherwise - isn't a bad thing..
That's what discussing is for - learning. Look at philosophers.

Quote: "Grow up to follow Einstein, and Newton.. sounds great."


you sound like a little kid who tries to be different - because otherwise the kid isnt cool.



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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:16
Quote: "And now you're using my own statement in a passive-agressive way to indicate that what we see doesn't exist. Quaint."


Because it's true that you do have new invisible forces, and your quantum physics does crazy things too.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:17
Just grow up. Ok? It really ain't that hard.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:20
It's okay to act like a child - but if you act like a child and try to be an adult at the same time - you will realize, they block each other out most of the time.

If you're going to act like a child, expect people not liking it -> especially on the internet



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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:20
Quote: "Just grow up. Ok? It really ain't that hard."


Explain the words.. they are also the thoughts of someone else.

Just try it.

I have to grow up... like get older all of a sudden.

You see the problem with just storing random stuff from other people's minds.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:27
It's alright Pincho, I don't think you need to grow up at all. I think you need to screw your head back on, or in the meantime, give us some proof.


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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:27
Quote: "There is no such thing as a proof against faith. The best thing to do is tell people that they are right. You are right."


Yet you're trying to convince us you're right when if we were to do so, we'd be doing so on faith.


Any possibility I may get a response on my last post?

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:27
Basing everything on what is visible Is just short sighted and incomplete. Human perception is so limited. Even in your physics, the +1, -1 charge which creates your push isnt visible. Water pushes the boat yes but that is one small part of a much more complex system there is more involved than just a boat carried in a current.

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Quote: "I get into a lot of internet debate as I am a member of a forum designed for that purpose (I find it educational)"


Linky?

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:29
Quote: "Linky?"


It's of a specific topic, the kind of topic that would break the AUP and has a provocative name, so that might not help. Mind if I drop it to you in an email instead?

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:30
Quote: "Explain the words.. they are also the thoughts of someone else"


Right. Well, what I mean is instead of coming on here and acting as though everyone else - literally everyone else in the world - is wrong about science and physics, what you should have done instead is this:

1 - Come here and say "Hey guys, what do you think of these ideas? Here are things I've observed and this is what I think causes those events and reactions".

2 - Post those observations as a hypothesis and ask for feedback. Don't immediately say everyone else is wrong because they say "well actually it's sort of been proven that x causes z, and not y...".

3 - Try really hard not to rip off other ideas floating on the web and claim them as your own personal predictions, unless you're Apple and are trying to patent physics (which I'm sure they'll eventually get away with doing just that! ).

4 - Instead of titling a thread "Eureka I finally have a proof!" and then proceeding to not post said proof (don't even try to say that all of us misinterpreted it; you knowingly and deliberately led us on which is a very trollish action), title it as "I'm writing a proof for a paper, what do you guys think and can you supply me with any information as to go about this process?".

5 - Act your age.

That's pretty much what I meant, really.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:31 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 04:32
Quote: "Even in your physics, the +1, -1 charge which creates your push isnt visible."


It is, I use infinitely regressive particle flows to create scale. So basically geysers. Science calls it Time.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:40
How is that in any way visible?

Sepp, sure thing

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Quote: "because I think you are all crazy. It bugs me. You accept that the Standard Model can be wrong, but defend it. You don't even care if its wrong, and your heads are wasting away. You call me crazy, and maybe only have a few weeks left of the Standard Model. Which then makes you into me. It's like a sheep following crazy people, a cult, or religion. Not only that but the religion tells you not to care if it is wrong.

One of us is crazy. I go for what I can see visibly, and that makes it almost impossible to disprove me."


what makes you so sure that the universe is constructed in such a way that can be comprehended with a human beings limited spectrum of perception and intellect?

you call us stupid, react abusively to anyone trying to help you cut through the fog, and to date have made almost no effort to explain yourself. you seem to expect that the only correct way to see the world is through your eyes, we are not AI entities programmed within your program to see and understand only the things you wish us to.

there is more than one way to view any one thing. here is evidence



you claim that your theory explains existing phenomena, there is a lot of good science already explaining the same phenomena. It is not blindly followed or "believed in" it's just the most accurate understanding we have to date.

you are swearing black and blue that there is a young woman in the picture, and others are stupid sheep for seeing an old woman.

one of the most beautiful things about the human mind is the ability to look at something and see something unique. you do it, I do it we all do it.

we all look at the same words and see a slightly different interpretation of them as we encode the words into thought, we can even speak an opinion that sounds similar when thoughts are encoded back into words. There is much philosophy surrounding this factual idea.

Your disregard for others thought, your unwillingness to use existing terms to clearly explain yourself and your disproportional opinion of your own intelligence, will not make your life easier, nor will it convince people you are correct.

if you don't care then why post?

you clearly want to communicate, so why not do so clearly?

More and more pincho I am drawing the conclusion that you need psychiatric attention. unfortunately I am sure you will not seek it voluntarily.

Think of this pincho, have your mental health checked out. if you are sane, then medication will not change your view. if you are unwell you can become well again.

You remind me so much of me when I lost it.
sorry for a long story but you need to hear it. -I have greatly condensed this for clarity.

Quote: "I had this perfect view of the universe and very few people could understand what I was saying, the people who could, could neither confirm nor deny my ideas. I worked tirelessly day and night for... im not even sure how long. the real world slipped away. I didnt even notice when it happened I became angry at the stupidity of humans and their inability to understand what I was doing.
My friends didn't pull me up on it because they thought I was onto something too complex for them to understand. they backed off while my behavior became stranger and stranger.
I found the fundamental frequency of the universe and tuned my mind into it, I gained the ability to see and interact with different planes of reality, i could communicate with extra dimensional beings. I drew too much attention to myself and was noticed by dark beings who began wearing my friends like masks and tormenting me, i couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, couldn't stay in one place for too long, couldn't even get them out of my mind. everywhere i went they jumped from body to body and stared at me filling my head with terrible thoughts.

I ran, determined to stay off the grid, I stopped in at my mothers house because I was so exhausted I just needed a safe place to sleep.
when she saw me she cried. Led me inside and just nodded as I shared what was going on and gave me a crystal to "protect myself". she laid out a mattress and I fell asleep. I awoke with the acute mental health team in our lounge room, mum and some of her strong male friends were there. I was too tired and weak to fight. I was taken to doctors and psychologists and psychiatrists and put on this medication that made it so hard to think, all i could do is stare at the thing i was looking at. It was nice to have a quiet head. the parallel universes faded and I remembered the world. I thought back and was shocked by how strange my behavior was, and how close i came to dying. I was a completely different person while i was ill, and changed right back to normal after I was medicated."


Your behaviour seems so similar to mine in the earlier stages.

Get yourself looked at, then continue with this.

It would be terrible for everyone to back off or get angry with you and abandon you.

I actually noticed a change in you a few weeks back, when your posts became strangely negative. I just thought maybe you had issues and were grumpy at that moment.

I am concerned for you Pincho. get some help.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:43
Because you can see a geyser so you know they exist. A lot of science doesn't exist unless it is invisible.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:46 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 04:47
Quote: "Your behaviour seems so similar to mine in the earlier stages."


Like I said, you can actually see everything that I post in real life.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:48
I've noticed a change too, Pincho. You really should get yourself checked out.

If you're depressed or having inexplicable emotional deviations then that obviously isn't good, and it could explain why you feel you need to get your theory out there and that could be why you're tripping up with it so much - you're moving too fast with far too little to work with (or at least you haven't shown us much...).

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:51 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 04:53
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If you're depressed or having inexplicable emotional deviations then that obviously isn't good, and it could explain why you feel you need to get your theory out there and that could be why you're tripping up with it so much - you're moving too fast with far too little to work with (or at least you haven't shown us much...)."

I'm annoyed, but fine. How would you like to live with a bunch of people in the middle ages screaming witch. That's what it's like to be the only one who can tell that there is no such thing as a witch.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:52 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 04:53
Quote: "One of us is crazy. I go for what I can see visibly, and that makes it almost impossible to disprove me."


Ok, Ok so you are correct now what? Since your idea is little more than a very simplistic base you adapt and twist to explain known phenomenon what's the point? It's just an artistic interpretation of what you believe you see.

You can argue about its artistic aesthetic all day long but that doesn't make it useful to science. No more that a painting of what you believe god looks like would have any use in a philosophical debate over the existence of a god.

By way of demonstration, he emitted a batlike squeak that was indeed bothersome.
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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 04:57 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 04:58
That's different, it's not my speciality. I couldn't invent an aircraft if I discovered air. Other people are better at that than I am. What people make from my physics I have no idea.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:01
Quote: "I'm annoyed, but fine. How would you like to live with a bunch of people in the middle ages screaming witch. That's what it's like to be the only one who can tell that there is no such thing as a witch."


Wow. Okay. You really would be that arrogant, wouldn't you?

We have all tried to bear with you and your ideas, but it would probably help if you actually provided us with the adequate information before you claim your ideas as absolute truth.

Quote: "What people make from my physics I have no idea."


That's the problem, no one's truly able to make out ANYTHING since you won't even explain your ideas to us.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:03
Quote: "Like I said, you can actually see everything that I post in real life."

I could see everything In real life too. it was vividly real, so much so that the thought that i may be insane never occurred to me. I too thought insane meant stuff in your head. when your nuts it finds its way out of your head and into the real world, there is no way to distinguish the two.

Quote: "I'm annoyed, but fine. How would you like to live with a bunch of people in the middle ages screaming witch. That's what it's like to be the only one who can tell that there is no such thing as a witch."


been there too, they were just trying to point out that I was unwell.


can you at least get yourself checked out mate?

please verify with a post that you will.

This is turning into a carcrash and I don't want to see you go off the deep end.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:07
Quote: "That's the problem, no one's truly able to make out ANYTHING since you won't even explain your ideas to us."


Granular space-time.
Particle stacking.
Newtons kissing problem.
12 sphere around 1.
Room for a 13th sphere.
The gap creates Chaos around a central sphere.
The Universe symmetry is broken.

Ok so far?

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:08
Quote: "I could see everything In real life too. it was vividly real, so much so that the thought that i may be insane never occurred to me."


Everyone can see what I can see. My theory is based on water mostly.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:10
Quote: "Ok so far?"




Uh, no, because all you're doing is listing things and not explaining them. It's like trying to figure out an Ikea manual with you.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:12
Quote: "Uh, no, because all you're doing is listing things and not explaining them. It's like trying to figure out an Ikea manual with you."


Then it will be 300 pages like I said before.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:13 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 05:15
Ok spacetime grain has been seen by the Planck Telescope only once, but it was seen.

Newtons kissing problem...

http://plus.maths.org/content/os/issue23/features/kissing/index

Ok so far?

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:14
Quote: "Then it will be 300 pages like I said before."


You really need to work on your summarizing skills, then. It'll come in handy when you write those pages.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:15
my theory was based upon resonance. Everyone can experience resonance.

how about this,

show me some evidence that the universe exists, using information that has not first passed through your mind? can you?


your mind is the only thing that allows you to experience anything in the universe. If your mind is malfunctioning nothing is certain. not even water or resonance.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:17 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 05:18
Quote: "show me some evidence that the universe exists, using information that has not first passed through your mind? can you?"


Yeah I can ask someone if they can see the water. Can you see water?

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:18 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 05:25
Quote: "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adopt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.—George Bernard Shaw"


Quote: "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.
Frank Zappa "

Water...I can see the result of molecular activity but I have never seen a molecule just by eyeballing it.

Awesome! Its one of those threads.
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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:22
Quote: "Quote: "show me some evidence that the universe exists, using information that has not first passed through your mind? can you?"

Yeah I can ask someone if they can see the water. Can you see water?"


you perceive water through your mind, you perceive me through your mind. you perceive my answer through your mind...

try again.

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I've got to admit, I've notice a progressive change in your posts over the last months as well where this idea creeps into about any discussion you get in regardless of topic. A lot of times the tone of your posts feels almost manic lately. You seem increasingly irrational, erratic. Slow down, calm down, the world is not on a witch hunt against you. I enjoy debate, but I'm just going to drop it here as its probably best that I stop feeding the fire at this point.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:26 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 05:33
Quote: "you perceive water through your mind, you perceive me through your mind. you perceive my answer through your mind...

try again."


You answered me...

Quote: "you perceive water through your mind."


So now I know that you can see it. That's all I needed to know.


Now can you see 'Attraction' ? If you can't then it's not me that's crazy. You should notice that all of the invisible forces are backwards. Magnetism, Gravity, Quantum Physics.. Wave particle duality, action at a distance... the whole lot.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:32
Quote: ""you perceive water through your mind, you perceive me through your mind. you perceive my answer through your mind...

try again."

You answered me...

Quote: "you perceive water through your mind."

So now I know that you can see it. That's all I needed to know."


No.
you perceived my answer through your mind.

this is part of your problem, you are banging your head against the wall unable to accept that you cannot perceive anything without it first passing through your mind.

there is no way. you cannot argue the point.
if you do the answer passes through your mind.

if your mind is broken there is no difference between delusion and reality.


I just hope you get the help you need to find clarity.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:34 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 05:34
I need help. I can see water with my mind. Yikes. There's a difference between resonance, and water.

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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 05:38
for someone who claims superior intelligence you are behaving like a dimwit.

I too will no longer feed this fire.

All the best pincho. I wish you health and success.

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One drops out because I can see water. What's next?

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Quote: "One drops out because I can see water. What's next?"

A man does not know what is next. A man will do what he can.


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Posted: 15th Jul 2012 06:11 Edited at: 15th Jul 2012 06:14
Actually, what Kezzla is referring to is 'perception'. I thought words like 'perceive' ought to give it away, so I am convinced you're doing this on purpose. But for your information:

Anyways. We receive 'sensory data'. This data is through touch, taste, smell and well, I'm sure you know the senses. This data is sent to the brain through the nervous system and the brain interprets it. When Kezzla talks about water existing in your mind, he's likely referring a part of the brain like the cortex. The cortex is the part of the brain that's key in dealing with language, thought, memory and awareness. For example, the reason we can't teach a chimpanzee to understand Shakespeare is because a chimp's cerebral cortex is much smaller. They have some capacity for language and can even understand English to a certain degree, but small in comparison to a human.

Your sensory data is converted inside of your brain and you interpret this sensory data into conscious (and subconscious) thought and that is through language, as complex or primitive as it may be. 'Water' is one of these interpretations (or H20, a liquid made up of molecules of 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen or that clear liquid that keeps us hydrated). People who have different languages can even interact with the world differently as their words mean something different. As even when translating from another language into English meanings can be lost (phrase, "lost in translation"). For example, the word 'Dukkha' in Sanskrit is translated into English as 'suffering', but how we define suffering is actually different to how it's defined in Sanskrit, however, neither of us have a word that has the EXACT same meaning. So you could be talking about the same thing, but perceive it in different ways.

Another example of this would be to take a psychologist and a priest who have had a near death experience and ask them to describe the experience. The priest will likely interpret it as a spiritual experience and describe it purely in those terms, whereas the psychologist is more likely to describe it in more psychological terms. You could be looking at a big difference in how the same experience is interpreted, just solely on what the individuals believe (I pick NDEs because there are spiritual and psychological explanations already out there).

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Pincho, explain a covalent bond with your theory. If the nuclei of both atoms aren't attracted to the shared electrons (or vice versa), what holds it together?


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This is just sad at this point. I think I'm gonna stop visiting the forums for a few days and let this one die before I feed or fan any more days.

Pincho, I wish you the best in health. May the odds be ever in your favor.

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Pincho, the reason why your ideas make sense to you is because you have no understanding of logic or the real world. Basic analogies to simple objects and concepts (like boats and water, negative numbers, etc) do not equate to a real proof. You'll snap out of it in the future, and realize that none of this makes any sense at all. You'll also realize that, when you make a proof based on a program you wrote, the only thing you're proving is the way your program works.

The most frustrating thing about this thread is that you seem to have come to the conclusion that you can't learn from anyone, especially brilliant, accomplished men like Newton. Newton "stood on the shoulder of giants," he didn't say "Screw everyone, they're all wrong and the only one who knows how the world works." That's how he made great strides in physics and mathematics (by, you know, inventing calculus).

If you were right, you would be able to do real things with your ideas.

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Quote: "(or H20, a liquid made up of molecules of 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen or that clear liquid that keeps us hydrated)"


I read this report that says the gov'ment knows that there is dihydrogen monoxide in our water... and yet they do *nothing* about it! outrageous!

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wow, this has become the ultimate game of semantics..

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