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Arbrakan
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Thanks Rich for the reply. And to take time for this problem.

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Posted: 21st Oct 2012 09:35 Edited at: 21st Oct 2012 09:39
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it seems local Z axis and coords are reversed between the Windows Player and Android player when we load an .obj file ..??

Easy to see with a non-symetric object

Possible to verify this ?
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Quote: "it seems local Z axis and coords are reversed between the Windows Player and Android player when we load an .obj file"


Maybe this video confirms your error. The signs are reversed

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Is there any chance of changing the LoadObject comand so that it behaves more like LoadImage?

For example:
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BatVink : yeah .. so it will be fixed ... cool !

Thanks
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Posted: 21st Oct 2012 19:29 Edited at: 21st Oct 2012 19:30
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When will AppGameKit support OBJ multi-materials ? it's very annoying for the moment ...

Or if anyone has a tips to "split" an obj file (which contains multiple tetures) into multiple obj files (split by materials) ...
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Posted: 22nd Oct 2012 00:08 Edited at: 22nd Oct 2012 00:33
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Is the "end" command no longer working?

Edit: It appears to not work when using it in an included source file other than the Main.agc.

Sean

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Quote: "Is the "end" command no longer working?

Edit: It appears to not work when using it in an included source file other than the Main.agc."

I've had problems with this but in main.agc as well. However I can't reproduce the problem in a simple example.

This simple code here seems to work fine for me.


However this code from an app I'm working on (this appears in main.agc) causes a crash when you close by clicking the close button (the exit in the select case structure) but not if you close by clicking escape (the GetRawKeyReleased check).


That suggests to me that maybe there is something else buried in there causing the strange crash, or maybe it is something that only appears when the app tries to close. If it would help, I can post the full source but it isn't going to be pretty..

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Posted: 30th Oct 2012 21:48
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For the next release, can you make the .byc file to automatically name bytecode.byc This will save time for the tier 1 users from renaming it from x.byc to bytecode.byc everytime.
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I agree with 2D analyst... That would be realy helpfull
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Hi,

I agree also with 2D Analyst and The Zoq2.

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I am not english so xcuse my syntax, grammary or anything else wich could occure some ununderstanding
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any idea when we are going to get a t2 windows agk 108 working, with some sensors commands?
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I hope soon The Ultrabook contest is fast reaching its deadline.
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well i suppose one can simply forget the be in the first 50 prize?
this was the only realistic prize one had a good chance of winning
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I was hoping we'd have an updated beta to support the Ultrabook sensors by now, too. I know a lot of Lee's attention has been focused on FPSC Reloaded and Freedom Engine recently, but I'm hopeful we'll get an updated build soon.
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Quote: "For the next release, can you make the .byc file to automatically name bytecode.byc This will save time for the tier 1 users from renaming it from x.byc to bytecode.byc everytime. "
Quote: "I agree with 2D analyst... That would be realy helpfull "

Its as simple as the bytecode and player gets named after wath you name your project and the player searches for a bytecode with the same name as it self.
Probably to avoid any weird crashes from people mixing projects.

Could be as easy as this change would take alot of work to do and bugg test.

An easier solution would probably be to make it create 2 bytecodes where one is named bytecode and the other stays the same?

Just some thoghts from an sleepy head and its time for bed

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Quote: "I was hoping we'd have an updated beta to support the Ultrabook sensors by now, too. I know a lot of Lee's attention has been focused on FPSC Reloaded and Freedom Engine recently, but I'm hopeful we'll get an updated build soon."


I think that we can count on Paul here aswell

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Quote: "well i suppose one can simply forget the be in the first 50 prize?
this was the only realistic prize one had a good chance of winning

I was hoping we'd have an updated beta to support the Ultrabook sensors by now, too..."


Lee blogged 4 days ago...

Quote: "...we quickly turned our attention to getting the command set synce with AppGameKit, which means finalising the command set for V108. In doing so, we made some critical additions of commands we felt where missing from the core functionality. We anticipate releasing the BETA3 version of V108 soon, so watch the AppGameKit forums for more news on this."


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great news thanks BatVink. I try to follow the forums here and the FB site, but it's impossible to follow all blogs etc
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Tier 1 users would only nead the player file to test there projects on there ultrabooks.

Any chanse of getting an beta of the win player with ultrabook commands added?

We would only nead to rename the file to wath our project is called and copy over the old player.

This is based on that the commands are called the same as for iphone and android?

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as AppGameKit uses C++ T2, how will we be able to create metro design apps for win 8.

microsoft insist that metro design must be used with c# apps.

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TGC would have to make AppGameKit compatible with C#/Visual Basic, I believe something was written about them doing that a while back, but I was wondering about it myself.

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Lee already made a Metro Modern UI app with AppGameKit which runs DX!!
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It's nonsense. You can use Delphi, Python, or whatever as long as you obey the guidelines.

-- Jim DO IT FASTER, EASIER AND BETTER WITH AppGameKit FOR PASCAL
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Quote: "You can use Delphi, Python, or whatever as long as you obey the guidelines."


For TGC, I guess it's down to how many wrappers you want to support.

AGK Tier 1 makes sense for people like me who simply want a Rapid App Development platform.

Tier 2 makes sense for anyone that knows C++, and it's a no-brainer for TGC as the core of AppGameKit is already C++

AGK for Pascal will be appreciated by Pascal users, although the audience is probably too limited for TGC to consider as mainstream. Perhaps if Pascal had been the chosen language to base DBPro on all those years ago it would have been a more favourable choice now. For people like me, having to get back into Pascal is too much of a delay, despite the prospect of added functionality.

I had high hopes for DBPro for VB.net, but it never got the user base it needed to take off. Thus, I don't hold out any hope of AppGameKit for .NET.

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I have just uploaded AppGameKit V108 BETA3, and updated the first post to show the new commands and fixes in this version. Still some way to go I feel, but progress definitely at full charge I made this one in installer format, so if you have any issues, let me know and I will replace it with a files only one. Always remember to protect your development version and project source when dealing with BETA versions!

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Thank you Lee!

I am not english so xcuse my syntax, grammary or anything else wich could occure some ununderstanding
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Quote: "Sensor commands are blank on all platforms at present, and are only planned for Windows 8 support in V108."


So we still can't use this build to test and develop for the Ultrabook competition--with just a couple weeks left before the deadline?
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just like Xcept says, it seems there are no sensors yet for windows
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the end command dont work anymore ?
Is there an new command?

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Quote: "the end command dont work anymore ?"


The end command didn't work in the previous beta version. I have coded around this by only dropping out of the program in the main code, simply by reaching the end.

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Thanks batvink

This is the first beta of 108 iam downloading as my game is finished and iam waiting for the windows commands to be added so i can upload it.

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I think the end command worked for me

As for the ultrabook commands, is the thouch fixed and do sensors work?

Oh, and great work to everyone involved in the update
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I have 16 files in my project so dont seam to help by trying to dropp out of the main loop?
Why have they removed the end command are they replacing it ?

Edited..........

The end command dont work inside functions on the beta and they are going to fix it.

Edited........
Love these 2 commands

-Added GetScreenBoundsLeft returns the edge of the screen in you chosen virtual resolution, this takes black borders into account to the left of the screen my be a negative value in your current virtual resolution
-Added GetScreenBoundsRight returns the edge of the screen taking black borders into account

Perfect when using overdraw.

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I'm afraid the problems have gotten worse. After about 20 seconds of compiling, I get this error.

sprite -1196964435 does not exist at line 687

Oddly, this is a call to setSpriteColor(). There are numerous similar commands acting on this same sprite on lines just before it. It functioned normally in v107.

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Quote: "-Added WriteByte command to write single bytes to a file
-Added ReadByte command to read a single byte from a file"


Excellent, now we can send files over the network. I've been doing it as floats, and getting away with it on PNGs and JPGs, but this will make it much neater.

Quote: "Fixed bug with network integers causing a crash"

Yay!

Quote: "Added better network disconnection detection, previously this would take up to 30 seconds to detect, now 5 seconds."

Uber Yay!

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AGK V1083 doesnt work on my Windows XP system...

When i try to compile 3D example i have a error message
about dwmapi.dll not found.

But normally dwmapi.dll is a Vista DLL.
???
Do i have to call an exorcist ?

I am not english so xcuse my syntax, grammary or anything else wich could occure some ununderstanding
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Quote: "sprite -1196964435 does not exist at line 687"


This happned to me to in the old beta, it was because I tried to set array position 5 when the array was only 4 big...

It dosn't seem like the "you have to move 10px for a touch to register" bug hasn't been fixed on my ultrabook...
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I belive there will be small file updates thru the week?

I nead to upload my game to appup latest on sunday!

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Quote: "This happned to me to in the old beta, it was because I tried to set array position 5 when the array was only 4 big..."

Although I'm still not fond of AGK's horrible error messages, that is a possibility. This command is the first use of a second array for color palattes. I'll take a look.

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I had high hopes for DBPro for VB.net, but it never got the user base it needed to take off. Thus, I don't hold out any hope of AppGameKit for .NET."


Now owning Dark GDK.NET and loving it, I would have loved to seen it to properly take off in the community - heck it might have influenced me to buy it sooner. This is why I intend on making a series of beginner tutorials for it, though I need to get fully used to using it before I start such a thing. It's great fun to use (though, using C# ATM here rather than VB). I think the main issue is that Dark Basic Pro and AppGameKit are both procedural whereas .NET forces you into OOP and C++ doesn't and I suspect many folks are used to the procedural style of DB/AGK commands. However, OOP has great advantages and IMO it's useful to learn.

Personally, I would love to see a .NET version of AppGameKit, I think the moment one's released, I'll jump onto it and support it.

Also, anticipating Windows 8 and Windows Mobile 7 Support. I was looking at Windows 7 Phones the other day, really tempted by them.

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Beta 3 bugs so far.

The end command dont work inside functions and gosubs.

The draw sprite command is extremely slow now?

Seams to be the ones with transparency?

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I think I found a problem with arrays in the latest beta.

Basicaly, when I try to access an array by using another array to set the position I want to access and do all this inside a function call, I get a subscript out of bounds error.

Yes, its hard to explain but here is some code to show what's happening.

This crashes with a subscript out of bounds error

This works, which means that the last parameter is the problem. But it dosn't do what I want it to



This works, but is a bit of extra work.


However, this dosn't happen every time, some of my function calls make this happen but most don't. What I do know is that it didn't happen in the last beta. There where some other problems with arrays to though

Also, I have noticed that as of 108, "Ctrl + Y" dosn't redo, but swaps 2 lines, which is realy anoying, having an option to change that wouldn't be a bad thing IMO
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Oh gosh zoq2 I do that all over the place! That's likely to be the source of my problem. Good catch Sprites still seem to be entirely broken though.

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There has always been something of an issue with UDTs within arrays and always getting the correct offsets. This has been there as an issue from the beginning. But coming up with a simple example that will always show the problem just hasn't been possible (to my memory, anyway). This is one of the reasons I converted my app to Tier 2 (and am sooo glad I did).

First, are you absolutely certain the value in the 'i' variable is never incorrect?

You are using the same variable for both CraftR and CraftM. Do they have the same dimensioned size?

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They do, CraftR and craftM are created after one another, with the same variable as legnth.

I found another weird problem, which I think is the same thing, but diffirent.



These 2 lines of code come right after eachother, Grid[PlaceTileX, PlaceTileY].BTSprite have got the same value both times, and the value is a spriteID. The weird thing is that the SetSpritePosition command works, but when it gets to the scale command, it returns the error "Sprite 0 does not exist at line...".

Im considering going over to T2, but I want to finish this game first, since it's my entry to the appup contest. And I don't think I can learn C++ fast enough to finish porting the game before the deadline. And im so close to finishing it in T1 anyway.
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Your best bet, and this is what I did in a lot of places, is to copy the value from the BTSprite element to a local variable and use it.

I would do that in any case where the exact same array element is used more than once in a block of code. It reduces the effort needed to access an item and actually increments execution speed just a tiny fraction (but fractions add up).

Another way to do this, using UDTs is to declare a local variable of whatever type the array is built from and copy the array value to it and use it (this is more exactly what I did when I was using more than one element in a UDT from an array). For example:


It also helps to create global variables for values that do not change instead of calling a function all the time. This definitely decreases execution time.

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Thats what i have been doing so far.
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Any news on the windows sensors version ?

Panic rises and starting to get the feeling i will fail to upload in time

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Can't seem to get to the help files for 1.08 with beta3. And the version in the about says 1.07. The installer window title says 1.081 which isn't a big deal or anything.

Can I get to the help files some other way? The older 1.08's are gone from the products page where I know I had the right help files.

Oh also, I did uninstall and try installing again.

Thanks

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