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FPSC Classic Product Chat / [LOCKED] Official efxMod Thread

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TGPEG
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Anyway, I'm glad to see this back, it seems it's been well worth the wait.

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I won't be using or buying.

1. I have something almost as good for free.
2. It is wayyyyy to expensive.

Some people say that I'm crazy... And I agree.
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Quote: "1. I have something almost as good for free."


What you got thats almost as good then lol i cant think of anything

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Those prices mentioned are not official end-product prices.
By the way, efxMod still stays free for non-commercial purposes.

In fact, when investing in such a product, you'd be able to cover your costs when done right.

I'm not saying everybody who wants "just to make a game and sell it to friends" should acquire such a license/licenses. It's for those people who know what they're doing and also what they're expecting from their games.
It shouldn't be a product for the masses - first: we have to cover our own development costs and continue development. (as I said before, we worked over 15 months on a non-profit basis and invested thousands of dollars and we gained nothing!)
second thing: you're not forced to buy anything. You're not forced to use efxMod at all.
third: did anybody tell anything about the migration version for sure? I still do not see anything what looks like this is ever going to appear. (Wasn't it announced for summer last year?)

In the end, it's all I have to say about that subject.

And please, keep this thread clean, this is the efxMod Thread regarding the public releases and not InDev-limited-offerings from Helix Software.


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Understood i can see where your coming from with that the costs are high when developing

Will there be different licence types e.g indie and commercial so you can get just what u want from ur licence i think that woule be popular

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Well, I'm sure I'm going to buy this. The price is nothing compared to what they invest in modern day games!
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Quote: "What you got thats almost as good then lol i cant think of anything"


That's because it's not for the general public to use.
I stand corrected, it's not as good. There's no water (yet) and no DOF (yet).

Quote: "In fact, when investing in such a product, you'd be able to cover your costs when done right."


I agree completely Nighthawk.

Quote: "I'm not saying everybody who wants "just to make a game and sell it to friends" should acquire such a license/licenses. It's for those people who know what they're doing and also what they're expecting from their games."


Again, I agree completely.

The efxMod team makes a great product; there is nothing that can compete with the graphics of this MOD. Not as of now, at least, but I don't know what will appear in years to come.

Best Wishes and Best of Luck to you all,
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Cool what you hiding crusader sounds good

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It's not mine.

Can we please get back on topic?

I would like to apologize for getting this thread off topic. I shouldn't have brought that up.

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Well, the screenshots certainly look nice! I can't say that I'm willing to download and test this, because I fear that my computer may actually be able to run this thing.

Out of curiosity, Nighthawk. Is efxMod still being developed in DBP? And what are the system specs of your computer?


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Whoa, this looks awesome! I can't wait to try it out. Does anyone know where I can find 1.07 or 1.08? The FPSC Download page seems to have 1.09 as the earliest download.
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Quote: "Whoa, this looks awesome! I can't wait to try it out. Does anyone know where I can find 1.07 or 1.08? The FPSC Download page seems to have 1.09 as the earliest download. "


Actually to get 1.07, right click on 1.09, click on Copy Link, then paste it onto your address bar. Instead of pressing enter right away, change the 9 to a 7, then press enter. You will download the 1.07 upgrade.
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http://files.thegamecreators.com/fpscreator/FPSCreator_Upgrade_107.zip
http://files.thegamecreators.com/fpscreator/FPSCreator_Upgrade_108.zip
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Thanks a ton, GOH Doomster! This is such a fantastic project.
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I really love the antialiasing in this...it makes FPS Creator games run with NO blocky edges at all, plus the lighting looks fantastic. Other than that this doesn't really interest me, but it is a fine product. I'm more interested in the 2009 version of this.


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this beta is support the paralax mapping and ohter good shader?
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no it does not support Parallax mapping or Relief!

but i don`t know why your FPS Rate is so low!

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Actually it supports those shaders, but you need the shaders themselves.
When the final version is going to be released, more information regarding that subject will be posted.


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I still think the best selling point would be a small game/level made with this Mod...to showcase what it can do.

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Quote: "I still think the best selling point would be a small game/level made with this Mod...to showcase what it can do."


I agree...


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still can't get fpsc started with this mod, tryed evry thing and about to give up!
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I agree

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Works perfectly for me, thanks a million Helix.

Now my Mod Contest entry will be uber awesum!


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ehm... have you read the README???

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I'm trying to figure out how using this for a contest entry here, is in any way a commercial use?

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Well, the prizes are the reason.

And:

Quote: "1. Commercial usage in any way, including game contest entries, is prohibited."

(see first page and readme)


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Then you'll probably need a commercial license

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Quote: "1. Commercial usage in any way, including game contest entries, is prohibited."

Yes; I read that part the other day. So you're saying if there were competitions wothout prizes that would be alright?

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can't get the mod to work and have giving up, gutted

My spec;

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I honestly think Helix is shooting themselves in the foot with the "no contest entries" bit. I mean, wouldn't a game MADE with efxMod placing in a contest only provide more advertisement?


Btw, were my previous questions just ignored or something?


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Well; I had thought that would be good for them, as a form of advertising...but it's not my program....

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Hmmm...

When I tried test game,once the loading was finished it just crashed.
How do you fix?
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@ Keith & Ply: I agree, although the helix team have always been majorly strict on their licensing, But in my opinion, there is so much red tape in place when you use any of the Helix teams products, that you just end up not using it at all.
I understand about covering development costs, but lets be honest here, It's a MOD not a full blown AAA game. The only development costs I could possibly see, Is if you where hiring extra prgrammers to do some of the work for you. Other than that, I have spoken to many experienced C++, C and Dbpro Programmers, and they shared the same opinion that a MOD such as this is a relatively easy task, and shouldn't cost the development team much to produce, If anything at all (Correct me If im wrong). I think the helix team are starting to think their MOD is possibly as rare as gold dust.

Just my 2 pence

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well guys.

We are not thinking that the MOD is rare as "gold dust".
But its true that only you are complaining about our restrictions.

If you don`t like it, than don`t use it.

But stop talking about what we need for Developing!

@CoZ:
sure you are right in some ways, but also Plys Mod cost money to do commercial stuff. And its the same for us.
That we do not allow use for Contests was explained by Nighthawk some post before.

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Quote: "there is so much red tape in place when you use any of the Helix teams products, that you just end up not using it at all."

that's pretty much the message I am getting.

Quote: "
But its true that only you are complaining about our restrictions."

No; that's not true. There have been numerous examples of people "complaining" about your restrictions.

Could you guys clarify what "Non-commercial use" exactly means to you (giving examples)? Otherwise, I wouldn't want to make something with your Mod...only to find out later on that my work isn't considered "non-commercial" by you, as defined in the EULA (you do have one of those made up, right?).

In fact; could you post the entire EULA (End User License Agreement) here for us to peruse?

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well...

Non-Commercial:

- No use of efxMod for a project which will be sold
- No use for any contest which has Prices you can win
- No use for anything else connected with money or prices!

- Its allowed to use efxMod for your Projects, if you will not sell them (the "Free-Version-Information" in-game needs to be seen!)
- Its allowed to use efxMod for a contest, if there is nothing you can win!

I hope it is clear now.

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I was hoping you guys actually had a legal EULA (you know, the whole "click agree" to proceed thing), not a quick list you typed up.

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Quote: "Plys Mod cost money to do commercial stuff"


That would be wrong... If you buy it, it removes the splash screen.

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@KeithC: Exactly

@Dark Goblin: Im not complaining. In your own words to me:
Quote: "Just a bit of constructive critisism"
. I hope you don't mind me asking, but why do you have such a tight rein over all your products regarding useage?

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Heres my thoughts although reading the rest of this thread they will most likely be passed aside.

I think you have really limited the amount of users that will be using this mod now that you have told them that they CANNOT make a commercial game or enter contests with it you have also told them anything they do make that is any good they are going to have to pay 3 to 4 times the original products price just to be able to sell what they have spent time and effort. I'm sorry but $170 (understand price is not final) is insane for a product that is made for people that DO NOT have hundreds of pounds to spend on making a game and at 3 - 4 times the original products price i can see no one buying this its quite honestly insane.

If you have a nice big watermark on the game anyway why not let them enter into contests that way you have got instant access to more potential customers and you will have got it all without any effort on your part.

Thats all basically

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now we are again on the point why we have stopped giving efx out for Free.

If you think, our rules are too strict, than just don`t use efxMod.

I really hate to discuss our desicion all the time with the guys on that board. We began the development without any watermark.
Than the first guys used it for something like commercial. We added the Watermark and also someone used it without permission. Now we have some more rules and now that.

I really think you guys should think about your behaviour. If you can not live with my answer, than do not post. Otherwise I wish you a lot of fun with efx.

(Just as a side-note: The new efxMod 2009 will ONLY! be available for person which I think can work under this license. I will not give it out for free to such a community!)

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I agree with you Dark Goblin

Its a nice project and there shouldn't be so much... well you know...

Its a great project and its very nice to see what it does to fpsc creator.

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You guys have a long way to go when it comes to dealing with potential clients, with that attitude. You're not always going to have people agree with everything you do, but it's how you handle your responses on an open Forum (such as this) that determine the scope of sales, etc.

Keep your Mod; I'll wait for the official migration.

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Quote: "I honestly think Helix is shooting themselves in the foot with the "no contest entries" bit. I mean, wouldn't a game MADE with efxMod placing in a contest only provide more advertisement? "


This is just a beta Version ! So where is the problem ?!

Nice work Helix ! Keep it up


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I know a little about economics, but the MOST IMPORTANT THING is how you act up front with your customers. If you want ANYONE to buy a product, you have to treat them well.

I agree wholeheartedly with KicthC; keep your mod.

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Quote: "I agree wholeheartedly with KicthC; keep your mod."


sry but: Removed
I have said that everyone who can not live with my answer should stop posting! SO DO IT!

EDIT:
Now its time to announce something I thought of a while ago.
I will never give ANYONE of you any help concerning the Mod. Also you can see where you get any News about the efxMod 2009.
I want Keith to Lock the "Dynamic Shadows in FPSC x9" Thread now, because their will NEVER be a version with english language. Sorry guys but such a behaviour needs to be punished. If you can not READ that it is a BETA, you really need to learn it.

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Actually, no one except a very low amount of people noticed, this is just a community beta release and not a final product.
We're offering packages for future versions and other mod series, though, but the point is:
This is a BETA. Ever used a Beta version for productivity usages/purposes?


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Quote: "Ever used a Beta version for productivity usages?"

Actually, yes I have. I was asked to become part of the Beta Team for TrueSpace (in anticipation of working on GameSpace 2...which was replaced by the now free TS 7.6). We were told that we could use it for whatever purposes we needed...only the tools being used couldn't be explained or showed to the general public. The same goes for the Beta version of the (then) Lightwave 9.5 and 9.6.

The treatment of some of the community members here...and punishing everyone for the comments of a few is extremely unprofessional.

Sure I'll lock the thread that was mentioned...I've got my finger over the lock button for this thread as well.

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Quote: "I have said that everyone who can not live with my answer should stop posting"

[cough]freedom of speech[/cough]
But honestly, this turns out to some serious handbag war among some of you fellas here. IMHO DarkGoblin has all rights to limit his software to whatever floats his boat. He's the developer, so we all must live with that. But while posting his opinion into a public forum, he must live with the crits and comments of all others to a certain(and luckily well moderated) extent.

The pricing of a final release is up to helix and will prove itself on the market-where a lot of the people on this forums are helix' future customers...well, noone is forced to buy.

I hope we all can maintain this discussion in the limits of respectful argument-I see to many threads locked on bad manners these days.
This place ought to be simply wicked fun....

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Quote: "This place ought to be simply wicked fun...."


I can agree with that.

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