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DarkFrost
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Well Dark if I know the answers I might as well help the people out. Saves you time that can go towards Cranox

Yeah the map editor preview sounds cool. Since as of now the preview isnt very good. I dont even use it unless im serious about my entity placement.

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i mean a real time preview
so you place a light, press a key and it updates all the lightning (just if you want, you can always put it off!)

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Man okay now that doesn't only sound cool is sounds USEFUL

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Wow! That'd be awesome, but lightmapping times, (especially on higher settings), would drag it a bit...

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well no...
its real-time lightmapping so there is no need for that.
K it needs to calculate the lightning but thats fast. and in the editor, you will not have Shadows on a resolution of 512*512 ^^

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It wouldn't be necessary for them to be that size either. I can't wait to see this when it's released, when might we see the first beta?

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Dark already said that he may release a demo preview for the community soon.

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This looks very interesting, can't wait to download this when its finished. Keep up the good work and the screenshots look great
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Posted: 20th Jul 2009 03:24 Edited at: 20th Jul 2009 03:33
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Finally I got an Demolevel ready for you guys.

Please read the ReadMe.txt in the Mainfolder, its very important to know the things inside of it!

Do not expect such a nice performance right now, but there were a lot of people waiting for a little Demolevel.

Downloadlink - Mirror 1: http://blutigerwinter.astarot.bplaced.de/cranox/Cranox%20Mod%20Demolevel.rar

PS: Maybe on the end of this week there will be a Launcher for the Demo, so you dont have to adjust all the Settings like said in the ReadMe!
And dont forget your PC Specs for a Bug Report!

Have fun
DG

EDIT:
Sry forgot the Flashlight keys:

F: Flashlight On
G: Flashlight Off

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Posted: 20th Jul 2009 03:28 Edited at: 20th Jul 2009 03:43
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Dling now.

Expect a detailed bug report emailed to you soon, or when i see you on msn.

I dont care for performance i want to see what cranox can bring the table. After using C++ i expect plenty, and i shall compare the too. But I hopefully I have not supported your mod for nothing which im sure i havn't.

Uhhh goblin next beta you release you should use some sort of game protection software since things can easily be ripped from this demo... NOBODY GET ANY IDEAS!

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Posted: 20th Jul 2009 04:06 Edited at: 20th Jul 2009 04:07
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Cranox Mod Bug Report 7/19/9:07
(DemoLevel)

Statistics:
-FPS of 40 average
-Smooth gameplay overall
-Keyboard 1,2,3 do special things lol

Bugs/Problems Noticed:
-Constant "pops" when walking
-Some objects do not render quick enough
-water raised too slowly in my opinion
-FPS drop to 20 when a high amount of polys are on scene

Good Things Seen:
-Flashlight works well, and is responsive
-DoF is a beaut to look at
-Shadows look lovely
-Water is great
-Good sense of realism

Improvements:
-Fix bugs/problems noticed
-Performance issues
-Lighting
-Smoothness of movement

For more information on this bug report contact me from my msn/email.

-Cyclone

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It just didn't work for me (run of the mill Dell XPS with a 256 graphics card/4GB RAM). It was slow in coming up (arrow jumped around a lot at menu startup), then I just ended up dying (drowning) right from the start...and that was a slow death, let me tell you!

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Played the demo.. shadows look great, but I couldnt see the water at all.

Also, why does everything look so..grainy, if you get me?
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Quote: "It just didn't work for me (run of the mill Dell XPS with a 256 graphics card/4GB RAM). It was slow in coming up (arrow jumped around a lot at menu startup), then I just ended up dying (drowning) right from the start...and that was a slow death, let me tell you!

-Keith"


well it loaded very quickly for me but stayed at 18 fps. i was unable to see anything because i kept falling to my death. dissapointing because i wanted to play the demo level good luck with this.

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Just Ran It....It Ran Fine....Perfect All The way...Just A Few Things I wanted To Say:

1.Yes The Water Moved A Little Too slow....
2.When I Press 1 it gets colorful and da world disappears
3.When I Press 2 I dont even know how to explain it...It Looks Like The Walls And Stuff Are Like Crayons or Caulk or Something.
4.When I Press 3 everything looks super dusty and gray and white.
5.When I Press 4 A Small White Box Appears.
6.When I Press 5 A Bigger Black Box Appears.
7.The Water Fog Thing Did Nothing
8.The Shawdos Looks Too Light with The Flashlight...It Took Me Awhile To Notcie the Shadows On The Railing With The Flashlight.

Altogether it looked Great!!
Avg. FPS: 55
Max. FPS: 74
Min. FPS: 49 (Only When A Door Opens)

System Specs Are in My Sig Below....Can't Wait Til its done...

Computer Specs: Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 2.80GHz @ 1066Mhz FSB 3MB Cache, Dual Channel 8192MB DDR2 PC6400 800MHz RAM, XFX Nvidia Geforce 9800 GTX+ 512MB, MSI P7N SLI-FI Motherboard - nForce 750i SLI
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Well, guess I'm having the worst luck so far. OK, so yeah I didn't see any water at all. And there were no shadows at all, besides some on static objects. But they just looked like normal fpsc shadows.
I did see some shadows move with the flash light though, not much though. But that's the only dynamic lighting experience I was offered.
Shame really.
Hope it will be fixed.
Maybe its because I am using Nvidia Technology?


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Posted: 20th Jul 2009 11:27 Edited at: 20th Jul 2009 11:33
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have you turned the Dynamic Shadows on in the setup.ini?

Because they are deactivated because they can produce a hugh framedrop, if you move the objects!

the keys 1-5 are Debug Images, dont worry about them.

And the Num Keys to something, you just need to wait some time!

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@Lewis:
You need to raise the Water, I have written how to do this in the Setup.ini

@KeithC:
I think your GraphicsCard is the problem...
but dont know!

@ZFletch1:
Looks like you try to run it on an Notebook. So that would be the problem ^^

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Argh, excuse my dumness. I'm tired
But that fixed all the problems, with dynamic shadows for objects and DoF turned on I get a good, solid, 60 fps, sometimes more.
Great job DG!
I always loved Evolved's water, especially the under water system.
Anyways, again, great job.


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for all who have problems with the Grainy Textures, here I have a fix for this:

Downloadlink: http://blutigerwinter.astarot.bplaced.de/cranox/Shader_Fix.rar

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The FPS dropped a lot when I raised the water. Take a look:





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I think you have the dynamic object shadows on, dont you?

Than the Water gets to the objects, the Water physics is activated and the Objects "float" in the Water.

And also the Shadows need to be updated.

Thats the reason ^^

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Posted: 20th Jul 2009 13:26 Edited at: 20th Jul 2009 13:30
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I did have them on. I'll try without them on now.

edit- hardly any fps drop at all. fandabbydastic. =P
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i just tried it but couldn't even start it

this is the error i recieved

and i have tried re-extracting it as it says

and here are my system specs so that you can tell me if its any of those
Vista 64bit
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core i7
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Download the DLL from Google then you numpty...

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Lmao couldn't help but laugh at that.

This is great love the water amazing effect, im downloading now will edit this post with comments on it

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I ran it, but it was really slow, and when I spawn, the water was above my head, and I died...

Then, when I respawned, I plummeted through the floor, and died again...

On my last life, I bounced up, stuck to the ceiling, then when I tried to have a look at the level by walking, I fell through the floor again...

Here's my specs:



Admittedly, EFX ran at only 10 fps for me, my PC only rates at 4.1 on the Vista Rating System. It's a pity, because that tiny look I did get at the level looked beautiful.

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Looks Friken Amazing and its the only mod that hasnt given me an error
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thanks for that sorry for be so idiotic
i got it running and it loaded very quickly at the start i was getting an average fps of about 62 and it at one point went as low as 28, but after a while it settled and i was getting around 92 and as high as 99
BUGS:
i got some popping where some lights were rendered differently form different distances and there were some issues with the water where some sections of the segments weren't refracted or affected by the water in any way however

other than that it was very good and i have to congratulate you on the water as i feel that it was some of the most realistic water in a game, not FPSC a game (and that includes crysis ), the flashlight was very good and i think with lower ambiences would rival that of doom 3

one thing i thought may have been good would have been the ability to control the ambience in the level

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Nice work on this DG I got a nice 120 fps apart from one section where it drop to like 35fps but it ran great.

Only issue I did have was a funny hum noise when playing.

Best s4real

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Unfortunately for me my pc isn't fast enough to run it, it just crashed my pc Nevermind.

Also for the Cranox Modifications logo is the spelling mistake deliberate or a mistake?

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Quote: "Maybe its because I am using Nvidia Technology?"


Mine is an ATI Graphics Card.
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Quote: "Also for the Cranox Modifications logo is the spelling mistake deliberate or a mistake?"


That is the german spelling im guessing it is meant to be like that


Onto the mod...
I have a big issue i cannto run the mod no idea why have tried on following pcs:

Mine
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2nd PC
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7200GT 512MB

3rd PC
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Intel Pentium 4 2.8Ghz
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5200GT 256MB

Those first two are both more than capable than running nearly every FPSC mod out there the first one defiantly is. When running the exe i get the windows error "This program is not responding" any ideas why i get this any help is very welcome.

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This Mod is absolutely gorgeous. It runs perfect on my
machine.

I can't wait until this is released. I love it, everything is great.

The DoF is, however, a little blocky to me. Even in the screen shots.



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Nice to see "most" of you enjoying the mod

BTW the next no idea why it doesn't run on your comp man. Those are some nice specs you got there

Im running a:

It even ran on my netbook at 18 fps lol! It runs at:


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thats the german Word for "Modification" ^^

so its like it should be

EDIT:
Also no idea why it does not run on your PC.
First I thought about Windows 7 but for others it runs. So maybe some other problems, dont know sry.

Also you need to know this mod has a big performance problem, so its just normal that you can run all other mods perfectly but not Cranox Mod!

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Right then back to messing with stuff to get it to work, i usually get it eventually just takes time to find the right setup that works.


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Ok i have got it working on one of the 3 pc's but still no luck on mine im sure ill get there eventually.


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That pc is evil

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Lmao yeh i just realised why my graphics card driver is a Win Vista one when im using Win 7 and my Motherboard driver isnt even installed i dont know why i only check they where installed last week and they where all there id better get onto fixing them first lol.


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Just tried it after reading what Cyclone said about his specs.

I got 2 fps. Fell through the floor everytime I spawned. The main menu lagged terribly. The water didnt move when i was able to not* fall through the floor the next time.


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Ooooo that sucks Kyle. Im surprised I got 18 fps when your only getting 2 and your comp has better stats then my eeepc.

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Some computers insist on not running FPSC. Take my dads, using blue um I get maybe around 10 fps avg. Granted the card is a little outdated, and my RAM is the min, but my processor is a dual core athalon, which S4 said should fly.

And those frames are with Shaders OFF. I get 4fps with on. Why does technology hate me?

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This mod looks really great!

I just got one problem..
First I got some .dll missing errors. But those were the same I had with EFX, so I knew how to fix it (put the following 3 .dll files in the windows/system folder: mfc71.dll, msvcr71.dl, msvcp71.dll (thanks to Nomad Soul)).

But now I get the "Runtime 118" error when I test the game, while I don't get this error without the mod..
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well I dont know why you get a Runtime Error.
Maybe you have the wrong dll`s, thats what my problem was sometime. I downloaded all 3 of them and than got such an error.

Maybe try to get them from a diferrent server.

EDIT:

Now there is an official page on the official Cranox Interactive Homepage for "Cranox Mod".
There you will find all new News about Cranox Mod and also new downloads.


Cranox Homepage

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OMG..Dark Goblin, your Cranox Mod is freaking Awesome! you are one of the best! Keep up the Awesome work. I hope you have a great day.

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Tested the demo out, forgot to check performance before tinkering with settings in the setup. I guess I was too excited.

But, with 256 shadow resolution and dynamic object shadows on, I get (at an estimated average) around 60 FPS. Framerate drops by 3-5 frames when I raise the water up to visibility, so around 56 with water.
The one perfomance issue that stood out for me was when I picked up a dynamic object or otherwise made it move. While throwing barrels around, FPS usually dropped to around 25.

My specs, if relevant;


I must say that it was awesome to see an FPSC level run with full scene bump/parallax mapping and dynamic lights and shadows. Since I first played STALKER, I dreamed of being able to achieve similar graphical quality in FPSC. Looks like it's not far off now.

Keep up the great work, I hope you can get it optimized even further so that it'll run great on more systems.

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I got the demo working now and...wow it looks great!
Can't wait for a beta release!
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VEry cool work, you did a great job there Dark Globin.

The fps was a steady 101 and evereything worked just fine.

Now in the W.I.P. forum: operation sunlight
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=149451&b=25
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so for a lot of people the mod runs better than last time...
I think that is one step closer to my goal of making Cranox Mod a really nice Mod.

so I will keep all Screenshots coming.
Also all new downloads will be available on:

Cranox Interactive Homepage

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I tried pushing settings to the limit, running with object dynamic shadows and 1024 resolution shadows. As long as I didn't make use of the physics engine in any way, it stayed pretty firmly at around 50 FPS.
I'm running at a 1680x1050 monitor, by the way, forgot to mention that last time.

Keeping the default settings (128 shadows and no object shadows), framerates peaked at around 80-90.

EDIT: By the way, how do I enable ordinary normal mapping? I've tried parallax and relief, but I'm not sure what term to enter to enable normal.

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