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BearCDPOLD
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I just trust Nintendo. I trust them first to every once in a generation come out with a couple of dumb ideas. I trust them secondly to consistently deliver the best gaming experience that's not made for the hardcore gamer.

You talk to the Nintendo fanboys and other casual gamers they say, "Yeah man, I love my Gamecube, I play this, this, this (huge list of games they enjoy)."

You talk to the hardcore PC/XB/PS2 gamers they say,
"Everquest, Warcraft, Diablo, Tribes, Counterstrike, Unreal, Quake, Halo, and Starcraft kick balls."
Somewhat limited. I like those games too, but I get more I like with Nintendo.

You guys remember Game Gear? Same situation we are with PSP vs DS. Game Gear could render a little 3d, had stereo sound, could play Sega Genesis games, overall a hardware powerhouse. The little Gameboy won.

I own a GC and an Xbox (my pc sucks). I basically bought Xbox for Halo, KOTOR, Fable, and Xbox live. I bought Gamecube out of instinct. Nintendo's been around since the 1800's, they know what they're doing.

*giggles and runs off to blissfully play some kiddy game like Mario Sunshine

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We'll see. I don't think that Nintendo dropping out of the hardware business would be the end of them. In fact, it could actually open up more profit. No gamer, my self included, can deny that Nintendo makes great games. But, most people do not want to get the Nintendo systems these days due to lack of it's ability to stand on it' own. Yes, Nintendo first party support does keep it up and looking pretty good, but, c'mon! Only two 3rd party games for GCN at E3 (RE4 and that pinball-army-Konga-weird-ass game)?!?!?!

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Haven't even been keeping track of the PSP and DS.

Touch screen = finger prints = no fun


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It actualy uses a stylus, but screen scratches are even less fun. Nintendo is supposed to be working on a remedy right now!

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Wow, why do people get offended/so defensive?

Meh. Enough of this.


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Posted: 30th Aug 2004 13:28
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That's what I am saying. I was just making a commentary about how it looked to me like Nintendo may be going strictly software. A few others second the opinion. And people started getting so defensive about it, like they own Nintendo! Jeez...

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Posted: 30th Aug 2004 18:34
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Quote: "+Powerpad: Could not have been implemented worse, and with so much potential. Now what do we have? DDR. And you thought that was a new idea? Pffft..

+U-Force: Was that actually supposed to be a controller? It didn't make anything on the screen move, that's for sure! What do we have now? Para-Para-Paradise!

+Virtual Boy: Perhaps one of the biggest stinkers in all of Nintendo's closet. They are really hoping that we have forgotten that one. What do we have now? TONS of people clammering for Virtual Reality. If VB had been a success, who knows what the successor would have been like "



You seem to just point out the negatives

Quote: "The console is dying IMHO, and so is the console devoloper(EX: Grabbed by the Goulies). They (The console) are non-upgradable (with the exception of stupid knick knacks like a cupholder). They are expesnsive and the games are extrememly expensive."


Nintedo has just patented a device which allows an exiting console to copnnect to the internet and download then play games.

In the end of the day my advice is to listen to Rich, he speaks wisdom and it indeed the game, not technology that seels consoles.

There are lots of people around who like to make a fuss out of nothing. Nintendo won't curl up and explode if the DS does badly. They'll just release the N5 and GBA sucessor

[ps - who does Sony not give consoles new names? Come on, Playstation 2? Playstation 3? Hmph)

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Quote: "Nintendo is NOT making the touch screen optional on many games. Look at Metroid Prime: Hunters."

Not to be nit picky but since the E3 they´ve aparently changed the control system to a more traditional one. So there´s no need to worry about that.

Rich: Can you please stop mentioning Hravest Moon? I was going to buy that game but I bought Ninja Gaiden instead. I really regret my decision and going on about how good Harvest Moon is isn´t helping.


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Quote: "Rich: Can you please stop mentioning Hravest Moon? I was going to buy that game but I bought Ninja Gaiden instead. I really regret my decision and going on about how good Harvest Moon is isn´t helping."


Haha.. sucker

HM has to be one of the best games I have ever played, and I've played a LOT!

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Quote: "Sure, the Cube is fun...if you just got it. But it did not take me long to go through every game on it worth playing. It just doesn't have enough games IMHO!"


There are far more games on the cube worth playing than I could ever afford to buy. Perhaps your gaming tastes are limited to a few small genres that the cube doesn't cater well for? Personally I'd rather go a few rounds on the superb Mario Golf than slog through yet another dull level in Devil May Cry 2. I have well over 400 PS2 games (yes, its chipped) and with the exception of a few they fail to excite the gamer in me any more.

Also, why are you insistent the stylus will scratch the screen?! Companies have been making PDAs (and now touch-screen phones) for over a decade, none of those ever scratched the screen - why the hell would Nintendo fall for this? I just don't buy it, I think its nothing but pure speculation with no real hard facts, especially as the final DS design isn't even finished yet. You're just ASSUMING that Metroid would control badly with a stylus, you haven't actually played it and I for one don't think Nintendo would mess-up such an important line-up game as that with a pants control interface, they just aren't that stupid.

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Heh Rich if you want real rubbish regarding DS go here

http://www.gamingheadlines.co.uk/view.asp?id=462

My favourite bits:

Quote: "Personally I think PSP will have an advantage due to price - two screens has to be expensive. "


Quote: "Nintendo just won't lay down and admit defeat"


Quote: "That's right, Nintendo have done it again, everytime Sony get a bright idea Nintendo come along and steal it from under them"


The guy obviously has no idea.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2004 21:45
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David - Delightful

My main and I think biggest gripe with Nintendo isn't with its console or games, its the fact that everything comes out in Japan first and some of the hottest titles never even see a Western release - how long did we have to wait for Animal Crossing?! Or Donkey Konga? That, in my mind, is the real shame and the one issue that X-Box (obviously) and PS2 (to a much lesser extent) addressed. Games are also significantly cheaper over there

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I think being a primarily Japan based company has something to do with that Although they've managed simultaneous releases in the past.

Sometimes Nintendo are a bit frustrating - I remember a good picture of Miyamoto in NGC magazine stading at an e3 stand with his hand in the air proclaiming "Ladies and Gentlemen.. I give you... PONG!"

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Yeah I know, mind you Sega were no better really! and even Sony seem to release there first to "test the waters".

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I think the double screen will actually use up quite a lot of battery power, but hey, it looks catchy.

As a PS2 owner, I will admit that there are a LOT of terrible games for it... Mostly the ones my brother buys (Digimon? WTF!?!). I've tried an XBox controller and honestly, it's not bad. As for Sony, I read that the creator of the Playstations is gonna take over leadership of the company next year, which is good.

Damn, I wanna move to Japan.

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I know my son is gonna beg for a DS once he claps eyes on it - but I'd buy a PSP first. Nintendo really annoyed a lot of people with the shody GBA screen, and that'll factor, maybe we'll see a battle based on the quality of the LCD display rather than machine capability!. I loved the Lynx, like the GameGear, the original GBA was dreadful, haven't properly tried the new design. Mobile phone games are fine if you have a decent control layout, but most of them are gimicky and make the games unplayable.

One thing though, Nintendo has a habit of going for gimmicks in a big way, like that freakin game glove or the Virtual Boy or the bazooka lightgun embarrasment, they have a habit of going for stuff like that, then trying to brush them under the carpet so nobody will notice their failure. I'd quite like to see a Virtual Boy2, and more controller options (like how about a strafe move controller with a lightgun for FPS games) - but industry giants like Nintendo put companies off trying this because of their failures.


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Some games people forgot, in games that don't come out in the west could include Fire Emblem for quit eawhile until we got lucky and struck upon the gba game, now we're getting another, along with a GCN port.

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De'ja vu... why? Because this is EXACTLY what was said last time about the GameCube and GameBoy Advance.

They said a 32-bit GameBoy capable of 10yo games would never sell even with backward compatibility.
They said that the GameCube would crash and burn badly.

Where are Nintendo now?
Currently thier putting together the 'Revolution' which is not only capable of keeping up with but in some cases outperforming the Xenon (X-Box2)... Add to this they are to be almost identical designs this means porting between the 2 will be a simple case of recompiling with that platforms SDK.

This time discs are not going to be a disadvantage.
Revolution - Advanced Video DVD capable of upto 23GB
Xenon - Standard DVDs capable of upto 9.4GB
Playstation3 - Blu-Ray Technology capable of upto 50GB

We want to go over the Nintendo DS, which is called the Nintendo Dual Screen... NOT the Dual Screen GameBoy. The next gameboy in the series is still under-development with the codename 'Insurrection'.

The dual screen is the last 'wish' of the previous CEO of Nintendo, it has not direct influence of what the company is doing.
It is ment as a Multi-Media Device, this is why it has certain features for sending email, browsing the internet, watching TV, etc... Sure there are games because that's why ppl buy these things but it's grand design is to be something you carry around for whatever you wanna generally do.
I've seen a plugin by Panasonic which allows you to use it as an MP3 player which can store 10GB of tracks plus a very snazzy visual accessing menu via the touch screen.

Nintendo haven't continued to be around for 2 decades because they don't know what they're doing. They're days aren't even close to numbered.

As for the GameCube's games being aimed at 8-14yo... c'mon anyone who owns a GameCube knows that is 100% BS. Sure the biggest selling games on the console and most advertised are those which are more for younger audiences or all ages.
The GameCube's library consists of one HELL of alot of titles, a good number of which are purely adult aimed and have done damn well.

Capcom have been making more money with Resident Evil Series on the GameCube than they did in the past 8years on the Playstation and PC combined.

Metal Gear Solid : Twin Snakes is one of the hardest games there is, as the AI was ramped up as well as a new style to play it which was more like MGS2. Quite rightly is one of the best selling games on the cube.

These games jumping to the GameCube over the other consoles proved that it wasn't the machine that was bad, but the publicity around it. Even more so considering Resident Evil Zero is one of the GameCubes top 3 titles and yet had very little advertising in America and almost non in Europe.

Nintendo's track record speaks for itself quite frankly, they've been said they'll fail 2 times before and proved everyone they can stay in there.
This time they'll be comming into the fight on open footing with a new company mandate.

You can expect to see more games like Half-Life 2 (already confirmed for the NR) and Everquest 2 making appearances on it.
Online services are not going unnoticed, although in japan mostly only RPGs are played for this... the bigger market is American right now who have more spending power, and thier tastes are for games like BattleField (another title confirmed for NR release).

Nintendo's 'friends' rather than 'online friends' is still going to be true, with alot of 4-player titles on the way as well in the tried and test genres. Codemasters however have confirmed a TOCA will be on the NR and be playable upto 4 players on a single machine.

If this is Nintendo on the way out, then they're going out with a huge bang rather than sulking off like Sega.


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Quote: "The next gameboy in the series is still under-development with the codename 'Insurrection'."


That is highly unlikely and I don't see any evidence for it on the internet. Do you know what the word means? No company would codename their project that.


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Well said Raven, I don't see Nintendo ever failling any time soon.
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The whole fact that Nintendo's games require you to use their console to play them is the only reason that I'd get a console at all. I would never get an Xbox or PS2 because enough games come out for those consoles and PCs and any PC is better than a console I think. But since you'd need to get a Nintendo system to play Nintendo games gives them alot of leverage and I would gladly pay $100 to play Nintendo's games because they're so damn good even if many are aimed at younger audiences. It's as if Id decided to only release games for the Xbox, if such a thing happened I'd get an Xbox. Also, every time Nintendo has messed up they've been able to come back with minimal loss so I wouldn't think that this time would be any different assuming that they actually mess up.
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Quote: "Do you know what the word means? No company would codename their project that."


Mouse, I have to admit I was thinking the same thing! Especially as they are a Japanese company.

Quote: "But since you'd need to get a Nintendo system to play Nintendo games gives them alot of leverage and I would gladly pay $100 to play Nintendo's games because they're so damn good even if many are aimed at younger audiences. It's as if Id decided to only release games for the Xbox, if such a thing happened I'd get an Xbox."


Well said I agree 100%. If they moved to the XBox or PS3 then I'd move with them also, because unlike all the other console producers they actually make good games. People buy their consoles to play their games specifically, no-one else has a following like that. Their back catalogue is VAST and yet they still release new gems too.

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One day I'll have to try out all the console games everyone seems to love .

But that is a sound point. I like the Xbox but 80% of its games can be played better on the PC. Nintendo's got a more exclusive market.

And even if the DS flopped in the US, it wouldn't be a killing blow to the company.

Oh well, so much for my lovely power vacuum


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Quote: "HM has to be one of the best games I have ever played, and I've played a LOT! "


then you might find this interesting

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/08/30/news_6106042.html

Just gotta say I'm definitely buying a DS
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It's been due on the PS2 for a while now and won't be the first HM title to appear on it (as the article posted says), HM has never been a Nintendo exclusive, its just a good example of a quality title on it.

Makes no difference to me eitherway, by Nov. 11th I'll have finished it and the PS2 still won't have the Friends of Mineral Town version or link-up facility.

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I was just thinking today as I randomly switched b/w playing FF8, KOTOR, and Pikmin.....

Please tell me Nintendo Revolution will have controllers for big-handed people.

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And when will some of you realize that the DS developers don't need to utilize the touch screen, but they are doing it with the demos to familiarize themselves with it before going with the traditional button controls. They can leave the second screen blank, use it for controls in appropriate games, and have it act as a map or in-game menu, so you can pause, go to the second screen, and choose your weapon, for example.

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Instead of fiddling between screens to choose a weapon, I'd rather tap a weapon name on one screen and equip while playing the game on another

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This will put an end to this pointless argument:
There will never be a Legend Of Zelda for the PSP, simple as that

Release the farbror in you!
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didnt read all the way thru but:
Quote: "Also I'd like to point out that Nintendo have not lost a net profit for the last few years, so I'll doubt they'll be out of the game just yet , altough I would like to see more games out for the GC."


yes they have, cant remember how much, but i remember reading on slashdot (i think), that they lost around 50 million since ps2 and xbox

but i agree with rich, i love my cube, i wont even THINK about getting a PS2, i mean those controlers! what the fetch is with X O [] and /\ ? most confusing thing ever. no fun games either, i've watched for games for the PS2, to see if they ever turn over anything interesting, as of now, maybe have seen 2 games that looks INTERESTING.

Xbox sucks more or less, who CARES how freaking fast that beast is? it weighs 200 pounds, it's bigger than my computer tower, and only has 3 (almost four) fun games that i hvae played on it (i have played LOADS of games on that thing) even Halo got old after 2 or 3 months of playing, i played DoA 2 (maybe 3, cant remember) thats fun, but OLD FAST, and vice city is fun JUST to goof around with, thats IT.

i OWN about 10 games for the cube, all are REALLY fun (except zelda WW, that just sucked monkey), i mean we have Super monkey ball 2, Mario Kart, Metroid, Fzero, and many many others. i still have not gotten board of that console, and i have even had that for a year.

Quote: "i can count how many games for the DS on my fingers"


wow, didnt know ANYTHING (including milipeades) had that many fingers
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/08/02/news_6103874.html

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Nobody can see the future (not yet, at least), so we don't know how Nintendo will do. For all we know, they might go out of business, or they might come up with some ground-breaking idea or developer contract that will leave Micro$oft and Sony in the dust.

Like I said, we don't know. So why bother argueing about it until it happens?

Just my thought, Underhill

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Well, I only started this thread to say my opinion on what I think will happen. I don't know why people think they need to argue my opinion.

Also, people seem to be thinking that I am saying Nintendo will go out of business. I never said that!

Just like Mr. Underhill said, no one can see the future, so I have no idea why some of you say that this is pointless, a flame, or should be locked. I am simply stating what I have seen over the 18 years I have been playing games!

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We're just stating our opinion as well dude.

I don't want this to be locked! I will not be able to call out random Nintendo/Xcrate fanboyisms.

The reason I like Xbox's speed is for the games that are published by EA, Ubisoft, and the like. If I were to choose between getting a new 007 game for GC, PS2, or XB I would choose XB in case it included Xbox Live(fat chance) and I know it would run faster.


There's also those rare few:

Halo(still good, took me a year and a half to get bored of it)

KOTOR

Brute Force(pretty fun coop)

Fable(despite its disappointments it's still lookin pretty good for what it is)

My computer will die if I put Morrowind on it, $30 for all of it, no dealing with installing expansions

Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance (yeah same as PS2 with added gimmicks, it's still MGS though)

Jade Empire (no doubt it'll be good, it's Bioware)

Fuzion Frenzy

DOA



Those are the reasons I got Xbox, the only reason I can think of for getting a PS2 is so I can play FF VII-X2(well maybe not X2) and not have to deal with stupid pc ports.

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I love Fusion Frenzy, there's a helluva lot of gameplay in that title, the best party game I've played since the Summer Games series on the 8-bits.

I tend to go for 2 player co-op FPS games on the X-Box, like:
Halo (of course!)
Wolfenstein
Timesplitters2
Ghost Recon
Ghost Recon Island Thunder
Unreal2
Unreal Championship
MOH:Rising Sun
And most recently R6:3 Black Arrow (which is pretty awesome with 2 players co-op).


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Argh, how could I forget R6, TS2, & Unreal?

Love all those games.



Hmmm... this might be a little off topic (heck, it's way off topic).

A friend of mine was mildly interest in the whole Halo2 ilovebess.com thing. He counted on August 24 (what that countdown thing on ilovebees was going to) and went to November 9 (halo2's release date). There was 77 days in between(Bungie's favorite number). I forget the rest he did, but he went 77 days back from Aug24 or forward from Nov9 or something and he added up the digits in the date and somehow...well this is probably all wrong but he found a pattern of dates progressing from the digits of them adding up to 7, 14, 21, 28, etc. etc.

He told me he was really bored last night.

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yes... although i cant say that Bungie wouldnt do it thou:

Worker 1 (to worker 2): We are going to delay the release of Halo 2. It may happen again."
Worker 2: "Let's make it interesting then."
Worker 1: "Compo? Guess the release date before it's declared?"
Worker 2: "Nah just make all the delays by 77 days (and it rhymes)"

You can see that im bored tonight.

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Since this is video game talk... Is there any online rated E games for the computer?

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harry potter......


No, never mind that, Myst(all 3 + Uru) is a great PC game that's rated E. Anybody tried that online thing for Myst 4?

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Is there any rated T games for the PC exept for Everquest? Tell me why it's rated T please!

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C&C Renegade, RedAlert/2, some of the Tom Clancy games, Spartan, Dungeon Siege, Empire Earth, Age of Empires, Rise of Nations, Final Fantasy VII/VIII, and hundreds of others.

They get T mainly because you kill people.

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I need one that doesn't have any blood...

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Okeydokey,
All the ones except Dungeon Siege and the Tom Clancy games don't have blood, but you can turn off the blood in those (in most of the 'T' Tom Clancy games).

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What's C&C Renegade rated T for?

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Blowing stuff up.

Got anime?I do.
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Like... Does it have blood?

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Not that I can recall, just lots of explosions and people dying with crunches and screams.
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I know this is a bit late to be adding anything, but I thought I'd offer some actual facts instead of just speculation.

As to whether Nintendo is going out of the hardware business anytime soon, don't count on it.

January 23, 2003:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/23/nintendo_confirms_nextgen_console/

Quote: "NCL president Satoru Iwata told Reuters: "When we withdraw from the home game console, that's when we withdraw from the video game business"."


Quote: "Although the weak performance of the GameCube is causing concern over Nintendo's financial bottom line, the company is still making significant profits from the console - underlining the reason why a withdrawal from the hardware business was never on the cards. Nintendo's business model is primarily focused on selling its own games on its own hardware, many of them to a core audience which is considered untouchable by Sony or Microsoft; effectively meaning that while the Cube may be seen as a competitor to Xbox and PS2, Nintendo isn't even really playing on the same pitch most of the time."


July 30, 2004:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/30/nintendo_q2_results/

Quote: "A surge in sales of its GameCube console pushed Nintendo's second-quarter income almost 100 per cent over the same period last year.

For the three months to 30 June 2004, Nintendo achieved a net income of ¥22.6bn ($202m), 96.5 per cent up on Q2 2003's ¥11.5bn ($103m).

Driving the gain was a 712.5 per cent increase in unit shipments, from 80,000 in Q2 2003 to 650,000 this past quarter."


Quote: " Looking ahead, the company said it expects to see FY 2004 as a whole deliver a doubling of income over 2003."


From all accounts, Nintendo appears to be doing quite well and is in a good position of strength. A year ago they weren't selling as nearly as many units and they were still making a tidy profit. Now, they are making several times more and appear to be well with-in the black as a result.

All this talk of Nintendo quiting the hardware business is wishful thinking. They're here to stay. I think the above illustrates that point quite nicely.
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ok seriously being an avid nintendo supporter, i gotta say stop crying u pussies nintendo is not gonna die, my god i left teh hyper magazine forums cause of this anyway im not gonan argue the details of your post cause as i can see everyone else has anyway, but all i can say is that these kinda posts on forums really get on my nerve, and call me a fanboy but the ds will have better games, u made mention that the psp make sit cheap and easy to make games, that means teh market will be flodded with cheap and easy games for the psp, quality over quantity, thats why i liek cube, so many quality games, like ashley and mary-kate's sweet 16 anyway i liek xbox like riddick and full spectrum etc, but i stillbelieve nintendo will continue to lead the games industry in the hearts of all gamers, just for its shear goodness, untill maybe shiggy dies, then we may lose nintendo's greatness. now lets all forget our troubles with a big bowl of strawberry icecream


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@Robx: Who was crying? I was simply stating my opinion. I really have no emotional bagage either way, wether they go software or stay with hardware.

Quote: "nintendo is not gonna die,"


Did you read my post, or just the title? I NEVER said that Nintendo was going to die! In fact, I have stated it several times!

@Bear Crazy Donut: I didn't mean you (when I said people where jumping on me). Some people where beginning to get boarderline insulting, over a freakin game thread. That's just sad.

@The Dude Guy: I don't think that an online (at least not with lots of users on one server) game can get an E rating, due to "Game Experience Changing When Online". People are free to use profanity, blasphomy, and talk about your parents in very vulgr ways, and they do often online. It is very hard to police these types of games. Namely MMORPGs, MO-War games (BF, Joint Ops), and FPSs, and basically any others.


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You know, calling the thread "The end of Nintendo?" was probably a bad idea seeing you only meant an end to Nintendo hardware.
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