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BearCDPOLD
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Posted: 30th Sep 2004 12:42
that wasn't nice Jam.


Is it still a Bush or Kerry thread? If so I vote neither, pick a random hobo off the street and make him "King of America" for four years.

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I forgot the j/k...sorry

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iz kewl


so who's for the hobo? if all we've got as official candidates are Bush, Kerry, Nader, and some other guys I'm just going to tune out politics until the elections are over with.

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<<<<BUSH>>>><<<<BUSH>>>><<<<BUSH>>>>>BUSH!!

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@JFK - That's the kind of post that gets a thread locked

Even if we don't agree with Ilya, he still has the right to speak his mind without being harassed.

@Donut Productions - Sounds like you just came up with a new reality tv series


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YES FLAIMBAIT!!!! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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Posted: 30th Sep 2004 13:20 Edited at: 30th Sep 2004 14:01
Quote: "YES FLAIMBAIT!!!! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"


That kind of attitude is going to get you banned. Once again, please stop with pointless spamming and making posts that promote flaming.


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Posted: 30th Sep 2004 13:31
Bleh, ban him anyway. He spams alot.

Back on topic.

Who's gonna watch the debate tommorow? I'm hoping that one of the Debate Moderators has a sense of humor and asks Dubya to define "What it means to have Tribal Sovereignty" . Then you can also watch kerry with his recent "Orange fake tan" acquisition. Damn guy looks like a f*cking pumpkin now.

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Dabate? Tomorrow...man I need to keep up with the time

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I don't prowl for noobs, but I will tell someone when they're acting like an idiot. And JFK, ever since you got here you have acted like an idiot.


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Posted: 30th Sep 2004 13:38
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Is it just me, or are those ads at the bottom of each forum page tuned? I mean, last night I searched the dbpro forum for "net" and noticed I got an ad for visual studio net. Now that I'm reading this thread, there's an ad that says "Will You Vote for Bush?"

Coincidence?
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I support Bush
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Yeah, google scans the page for keywords that relate to the ads.

It's a crazy mixed up world.


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I never register I do not want to serve Jurry Time.

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Quote: ""What it means to have Tribal Sovereignty""


Rofl, I saw that as well, it was hilarious.


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Granted but you don't know what your smilies are.



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lol. seems someone has posted in teh wrong thread


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And nobody should trust a guy who posts in wrong threads and spams with there webspace.

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ooops, sorry sidetracked . VOTE BUD LIGHT and those crazy euros to office!

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about the ads... holy sh*t gmail does that too, my dad sent me an email that the printer wasnt working or something, and there were ads on the side saying "buy a printer"...odd.

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Quote: "@ Ilya, potentially you just made the worst post I've seen on these boards.
Ignorant and uninformed if nothing else. A personal ban should make you
think before you type. I hope a Mod picks that up."


That#s for us to decide thank you very much

My view is simple - the only way we could go to war with iraq was is they had WMD. Otherwise it'd be an illegal invasion, just like what germany did, and japan, and all other invasions in the world.

The thing is, both cheney and Blair have admitted there are no WMD there.

So that leaves us as an occupying force. That's all we are. An occupying force that can't control the country.

Reminds me of Afghanistan - people seem to have forgotten about that - the country is now controlled by warlords.

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Quote: "about the ads... holy sh*t gmail does that too, my dad sent me an email that the printer wasnt working or something, and there were ads on the side saying "buy a printer"...odd."


That's because they're both Google Ads!


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Posted: 30th Sep 2004 18:34
This war is illegal.

What happened to smoking Al-Quada out of thier caves? Al-Quada are in Pakistan plotting as we speek. The only way they could survive is if they have influence in the Pakistan government. And don't forget Pakistan as nukes.


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Quote: "They're are both bad, it just seems Pet Rat was trying to imply I didn't care if people died."

Your PARANOID, bittch. I was not implying that. I was implying that people were more important than landmarks; it had nothing to do with the conversation about the twin towers, I was talking about the eifel tower.

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I think Bush & Blair probably made the right decision based on the evidence which was handed to them - they were told by intelligence services from around the world that Iraq had WMD's - it turns out they didn't, but what if Iraq had had WMD's? Put yourself in Bush's position - You don't want another 9/11 to happen, and if you're being told that Iraq has WMD's, you're going to have to do something to protect your country, and in light of the itelligence reports, the right thing to do was to attack Iraq. Imagine in a few years time, if Bush wouldn't have acted, and the US was attacked by Iraq, people would have been asking him why he didn't do anything when he was given evidence that Iraq posed a threat. I don't think Bush was wrong, the itelligence services were wrong.

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finally somebody who looks at the facts instead of pointing fingers

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If you consider the attitude towards terrorism after 9/11, it's tough to see how invading Iraq was the chosen action - considering that Bin Laden still runs free, and considering terrorism is more a problem than it ever was, they failed. I'd like to see news of some action that wasn't motivated by profit - that's not gonna happen though, regardless of who becomes president next. Governments are governments, that's it - political policy is a tool to get you into office, once your there you can do what you like.

We're in limbo in Britain right now, Labour and Conservatives both equate to the same thing, we can only hope for a sideline party comming into power to change anything. Frankly the world is full of fkd up politics that we can do nothing about, except ignore it.


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By killing 1 terrorist you create 5 new ones.
I really think the war on terrorism isn't achieving its goal at all, it just makes everything worse.
As far as i know there wasn't any terrorist attack during the 8 years of Clinton, although he did not fight terrorism like Bush is doing it.
During the 4 years of Bush the danger of a terrorist attack didn't decrease at all, it only increased.

Moreover i wanted to state an interesting fact:
September 11 2001 around 2500 americans died because of a terrorist attack.
Both in Afghanistan and Iraq much more than 2500 innocent people died because of the USA.

And then i wanted to give my 2 cents about 9/11.
It seems everyone is just searching for faults or lies in this movie and no one cares about those things which weren't proven wrong. There may be things which are hard to believe or which were invented, but there are certainly also things which are true and i'd like you to think about those things rather than about the little details that may not be correct.

And then i'd like to defend Mr Pet Rat a bit:
Quote: "Saddam killed more innocent people
and so did Osama."


Erm give me some proof! I don't think Osama killed more innocent ppl than Bush! And as Pet Rat already said, it doesn't even matter whether they killed more innocent ppl or not.

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And where's your proof that he's killed innocent people??
"


Erm, is that a joke?

Quote: "When it boils down to it, Bush is a human being, he had the power to stop the senseless murdering of other innocent human beings and prevent more terrorists attacks in his country.
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WTF have those terrorist attacks to do with Iraq?
Bush only attacked Iraq for economical reasons and everything with the money of the tax payer.

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Take a step back and put yourself in his shoes. You'll see differently, I promise.
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WTF? this is not only senseless, this is offencive! Please stop those senseless attacks and only write something if you actually have a point.

Quote: "Rat, I love ya man, but that last post just proves you have no idea what's going on between the U.S. and other nations.
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Erm, i don't think the relations between the USA and other nations have anything to do with that post you're referring to.
Go and read Pet Rat's post again and you'll see that your post is completely senseless.

Quote: "Honestly, I don't think anyone wants to have control over Iraq right now.
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That however proves that YOU don't know what you're talkin about!

Let's do that slow so that you can understand:

-1000 years ago a farmer only survived when he "produced" more energy(which means "using the energy from the sun") than he used to live.
Mathematically this would look like this:
(produced energy/used energy) > 1
-Today however it looks like this:
(produced energy/used energy) << 1
Why does this work? Because we use energy that is stored in nature, ie. oil or Uran-235.
This increased drastically our capacity: Using this energy, agriculture is much more efficient.
Much more ppl could live in the same place (150 ppl*km^-2 is actually not possible)
-Around 2/3 of all the oil sources is located in Iraq, Kuwait and Iran. In USA and Europe, around 90% of all energy is "produced" by oil. A US citizen uses around 2 times as much energy as an European.
-As you may probably know, in 40 years the oil is so expensive that no one can buy it anymore. So it's economically very important to save those oil sources.
Cuz it will be very hard to replace those 90% with some alternative energy and therefore the countries which are in possesion of oil will have much more power.
So guess why USA attacked Iraq!! Certainly not because of WMD's or Saddam!

Quote: "Pet Rat-> Jimmy's right... you really don't understand the politics.
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Do you think that you're better? From my point of view Pet Rat doesn't seem to know less about politics than you!!! A mod should be a good example, but you're a bad one!

So that's all i got to say!

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Thanks Tomy, and I totally agree about the oil thing. Well, I sort of thought it had something to do with money made from it but thats silly because of how much money was spent on the war.

Quote: "Put yourself in Bush's position - You don't want another 9/11 to happen"

Theres more chance of an attack like that happening more than ever now because of the war. Sure, security has been raised to 100%, but inevitably something is going to happen sooner or later.

And its not just America thats in danger, its england and spain too(and anyone else who fought agaisnt iraq on the war). It makes me glad my dad works in germany instead of england now.

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Quote: "Both in Afghanistan and Iraq much more than 2500 innocent people died because of the USA.
"

and where did did that socalled "fact" come from...

Quote: "Bush only attacked Iraq for economical reasons and everything with the money of the tax payer."


you have been watching the news and eating everything they give you haven't you?

the news is not a reliable source of information. take for instance the whole thing of bush's military record how they had those memos that made it look like he had a bad reputation during his service...

then somebody looks into it and guess what??? they where fake documents.

tehy hadn't looked at the document's authenticy very hard before airing it...that's because they WANT to find something bad about bush...they are just having a hard time doing it

Quote: "As you may probably know, in 40 years the oil is so expensive that no one can buy it anymore"

where did that "fact" come from??? science???


did you know that by the 1990s we were supposed to have used up all of the oil sources in the world??? that's what the scientists told us...sure they can make a good guess

but it's still a guess


i'm not even going to start on the rest of your post...

you just keep making statements without the facts to back them up...

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Ehh, the war was supposedly on terrorism, not Iraq - of course when that American soldier planted his flag, his commanding officer nearly chewed his head off.

And England, Spain and America are not the only countries to be involved or at risk - maybe now people have a better understanding of what it's like to live with terrorism as a constant threat, just like we brits have for decades.


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Tomy is right about the oil. It aint about the money you get for oil but about securing future supplies. Without oil America is screwed big time - the whole economy would colapse. Here in the UK we had a big fuel protest a few years ago that stopped all fuel being delivered to the pumps for about 5 or 6 days. The protesters called off their blockades after only few days. But that few days nearly shut down the entire country.

Does anybody believe we'd be in Iraq if it wasn't for the oil?


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Why not vote for Kerry? Let's look at his stance on the war on terror:

He is against it and is a strong anti-war activist. But he's not an activist, and he isn't against the war on TERROR, he's against the war in IRAQ. But he's not aganist the war in IRAQ because he voted for it if Saddam did not disarm. But that's beside the point because there weren't WMDs. But he thinks the war is justified without the WMDs. But the war is completely wrong in the first place. But we should never have gone into Iraq for any reason. But he supports the war. But he's neutral. But he's against it!

And you're wrong, his opinion has NOT changed over time. Just ask him.

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Quote: "just like we brits have for decades."

What?

Quote: "where did that "fact" come from??? science???"

Everyone knows the oil is going to run out in the near future, 40 years may not be true, but its most probably close.

Quote: "you have been watching the news and eating everything they give you haven't you?"

Ok so tell us, why did Bush start a war with Iraq?

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from transatlantic impressions it seems kerry would make a better president

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Pet Rat,
We've been the victim's of terrorist attacks since the 60's - hell what was Lockerbie? - an attack on an American airline that also killed 270 innocent people in Scotland, where was the American government then?. I won't even mention the American businesses funding of the IRA for decades.


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yah, right but the fact is, unlike the brits (i don't know if you are to.) we americans are researching hydrogen fuel sources (water powered engines) so that we won't be using oil when it runs out. Bush even stated this at a press conference, so look THAT up, the war had almost nothing to do with oil.( the conference was in 2001 before 9/11)

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If anybody can tell me why we legally invaded iraq
and what it had to do with terrorism, then I'm all ears.

America after 9/11 should have taken advantage of the sympathy coming it's way - instead shortly after they invaded Afghanistan (no... nothing there ) and then, oddly enough, Iraq.

A country that has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. In fact, I don't think Iraq has ever attacked the US once.

Quote: "By killing 1 terrorist you create 5 new ones"


Wise words - the biggest recruiting drive Al Qaeda can get at the moment is Bush winning.

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Quote: "We've been the victim's of terrorist attacks since the 60's"

Sorry, I didn't know

Quote: "Bush even stated this at a press conference, so look THAT up, it had almost nothing to do with oil"



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What mister frenchy?????? No what we call french fries here? Back stabing lieing ashole fries. only the truth....... i think I remember when we nuked you....oh, wait that was my dream

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Are you just asking for a slap?

Quote: "No what we call french fries here?"

So what, you just asked a question then answered it yourself at the START of the sentence? I'll um..bear that in mind next time.

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do i care? Bring it french man!

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I dunno, we go with kerry, we're damned as a country that can never decide what its going for (votes for the war, now claims he didn't want, then tells letterman that he "Voted yes to our president to make the right decision.") If he becomes president we will A) never know whats going on, and B) Be walked on by other countries.

Then we go with Bush though, he's a lying sack of sh*t daddies boy. He is a farce of a president, and if he is voted in for another 4 we are A) gonna be f*cked in the future, from war debt and such. B) be mocked by other countries for having the biggest idiot in the states as our CIC.

Then we have to point towards Iraq. This is gonna be a mess either way. Kerry, being the admirable purple heart war hero(sarcasm) will find a way to p*ssy out and leave. Thus we will be thought as cowards in the eyes of all other countries.

With Bush, we will stay in Iraq. Then we will go next door to Iran. Then to every other country we will look like pirates (yarr).

So basiclly, i find it a lose lose situation.

oh and JFK- Thats a bit uncalled for. That and it is very uninformatively biased.

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Quote: "we americans are researching hydrogen fuel sources (water powered engines) so that we won't be using oil when it runs out."


I don't believe research will help you - America aint just gotta secure current energy requirements, but massive future ones - and I mean very near future.

Heres some facts:

Though accounting for only 5 percent of the world's population, Americans consume 26 percent of the world's energy. (American Almanac)

Total U.S. residential energy consumption is projected to increase 17 percent from 1995 - 2015. (U.S. Energy Information Administration)


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Quote: "yah, right but the fact is, unlike the brits (i don't know if you are to.) we americans are researching hydrogen fuel sources (water powered engines) so that we won't be using oil when it runs out. Bush even stated this at a press conference, so look THAT up, the war had almost nothing to do with oil.( the conference was in 2001 before 9/11)"

Although US American technology and research usually plays an important role, renewable engergy source is a field where it's a bit behind. Besides, crude oil isn't only needed for energy production.



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Besides the fact that this remark is totally superflouos, and AFAIK PetRat isn't French, French fries aren't French either. They're from Belgium.

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I've taken the crown from Ilya and placed it on Tomy.

Once again Tomy, you have proven yourself the bigger idiot. Congratulations.

Quote: ""Honestly, I don't think anyone wants to have control over Iraq right now."


I didn't say that you stupid homo.

Quote: ""Rat, I love ya man, but that last post just proves you have no idea what's going on between the U.S. and other nations."


I said that in reference to his post 2 posts back, he posted again RIGHT before I did. If you look at the post times you'll figure it out, moron.

Osama did kill more innocent people, he killed thousands on 9/11 and has been behind several terrorist attacks in his own country, at the U.S embassy and the trade center before.

People don't seem to understand that this war isn't like freaking WWII, we aren't flying over cities and bombing randomly, killing massive amounts of civilians. The military has the technology to be very accurate when hitting their targets. Yeah, accidents happen, but we hear about them. The insurgents have probably killed more innocent Iraqis, because they don't know how to use their frickin mortars.

And this isn't about oil you idiots, if you want to secure future supplies that last thing you want to do is ATTACK THE COUNTRY. Yeah, that's a great public relations tactic, real motivation for those working at the pumps. Good crap, you just need a good excuse to be against something. Oil, big corporations, sounds just like some crappy novel and now you get to live the fantasy life of the main character, Jack, who finds out about the governments secret plans to use the oil for feminine hygene products and the latest breakfast cereal, Sugar Slicks. Will Jack do it? Will he be able to save the world by voicing his frantic new-found truth on an internet forum? Only time will tell... DUn dun duuunnnnnnnnnnn you're pathetic.


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Van-B's biggest memory of the Gulf war...

Arghhh!!! - the oil! the oil! they're burning the oil!


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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 02:46 Edited at: 1st Oct 2004 02:47
Quote: "What mister frenchy?????? No what we call french fries here? Back stabing lieing ashole fries. only the truth....... i think I remember when we nuked you....oh, wait that was my dream"


That's what I don't like about *some* (note: I'm talking about a select minority. The rest are great guys) Americans and their views - totally blind in assumptions. The French received a lot of flack for opposing the war in Iraq. They suddenly became hated, backstabbing, lying etc.

Going on a rampage won't help - and generalising everybody with connections with france as lying / pro Saddam etc. won't help either.

Petrat only lives in france, he isn't even French, but still I suppose that makes him a "Back stabing lieing ashole" [sic].

Get your facts right. Take a more informed view of the world and don't generalise quite so much.

One final thing - for anybody who says Kerry changes his views alot:

http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/top10_flipflops/
I have said my piece



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Mr Underhill
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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 02:49 Edited at: 1st Oct 2004 02:50
I'm with Eric T, they're both losers, but I'd rather roll the dice with Kerry than go with Bush, who I know is bad.

And JFK, arguing about politics is tolerated (barely), but direct attacks on nationality (especially baseless ones) are not.
What you're doing only makes you and other americans on the board look like loud-mouthed, trigger-happy blowhards, which most of us (yes, I'm american, too) aren't.

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David T
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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 02:51
Quote: "JFK, arguing about politics is tolerated (barely)"


I don't see why it's only barely tolerated

I'm fine with it - and to be honest unless it gets really really ugly (i.e. not very often) then you can just leave the topic unlocked too

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 02:52 Edited at: 1st Oct 2004 02:53
I am loud-mouthed and trigger-happy

But I do it more coherently.


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