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Ian T
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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 10:49
Quote: "When even people in your own party think your a screw up you're in trouble."


I cannot recall a single president in the past who did not have members of their party who thought they were a screw-up. George Washington included.

Quote: "In nature hydrogen doesn’t exist."




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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 10:51 Edited at: 1st Oct 2004 10:53
Quote: "In nature hydrogen doesn’t exist."


Quote: "Kiddo, I think you need to calm down and stop to think before you type. You are really going to embarass yourself saying stuff like this. I'm saying this in the nicest of ways possible here."


That is some really bad quoting. Here is what he actually said.

Quote: "In nature hydrogen doesn’t exist. It has to be built out of water. This process uses a lot of energy, in fact exactly the same amount of energy that is created by burning it.
So hydrogen powered engines are actually only another way of using electricity!"


Which is actually fairly true. In the atmosphere any H2 will react with O2 to form H2O. Hydrogen will also react with pretty much anything so you are not going to find hydrogen (H2) in nature in any quantity.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 10:55
Quote: "In nature hydrogen doesn’t exist."


Well then, whats my water (H2O) made of? 2 parts Hydrogen, 1 part Oxygen.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 10:55
Washington didn't have a party.

But more to the point, what were seeing is major opposition to Bush's policies in Iraq starting to come from his own party. These aren't just a few wingnuts out on the fringe. Mainstrays of the party are saying he's made mistakes. Even McCain, who is campaigning with Bush is admitting he's made some serious mistakes in Iraq. For politicians in your own party to say you screwed up during election year no less is a major deal.

There is a lot of anger brewing in the Republican party over just how much Bush f`ed up this war. I wouldn't blow it off as nothing if I were you. These aren't knee-jerk liberals. They're conservatives. And their pissed.
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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 10:58
@the_winch

"Which is actually fairly true."

Err...no. It isn't.

Hydrogen is one of the most abundent elements in the universe. How is this possible if it isn't "naturally occuring"?

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Hydrogen is a colorless and odorless gas and the most abundant element in the universe.
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http://www.energotech.gr/hydrogen.htm
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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 11:02
Quote: "Err...no they aren't. Try backing that up with facts and your going to find out that isn't the case.
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Sorry, I'm sure a google search could turn something up pretty quick. All I can say is I have talked personally, one on one, with Exxon representatives who do foreign oil trade, and no, we are not stealing their oil.

Quote: "In nature hydrogen doesn’t exist."


The universe is covered with massive pockets of hydrogen gas that are the size of planets It is true that hydrogen does not exist alone (H) because hydrogen is diatomic. Therefore it always bonds with a second hydrogen to produce H2. I would say thats not existing in nature though.

Everyone is always criticized, even from the inside. Kerry is no exception.


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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 11:06
Debate on.... debate!!

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 11:10
@Konrad

"All I can say is I have talked personally, one on one, with Exxon representatives who do foreign oil trade, and no, we are not stealing their oil."

I'm sure you'll understand when I say that I don't believe you.

"I would say thats not existing in nature though."

Just to spite me right.

"Everyone is always criticized, even from the inside. Kerry is no exception."

I'd like to see you cite one example of someone inside the Kerry campaign saying he was "incompetent" or that he "made mistakes" during his Senate years. Go ahead. I dare ya.
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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 11:13
Quote: "Hydrogen is one of the most abundent elements in the universe. How is this possible if it isn't "naturally occuring"?"


For the exact same reason that makes it a good fuel, it's reactive. Anywhere it does occur it quickly reacts with something.

H2 may exist in large quatities in the low pressures of space where it doesn't ever collide with anything and so doesn't react but they are far from the conditions on earth.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 11:38
@the_winch

"H2 may exist in large quatities in the low pressures of space where it doesn't ever collide with anything and so doesn't react but they are far from the conditions on earth."

This contradicts your earlier statement:

Quote: "
Hydrogen will also react with pretty much anything so you are not going to find hydrogen (H2) in nature in any quantity.
"


Also, I found this doing a quick search:

Quote: "
The Earth's atmosphere is kept in place because of the gravitational pull the Earth exerts on particles in the atmosphere. But part of the Earth's atmosphere does float out into space. The part that is lost out into space is the extremely light part icles like Hydrogen which can escape the Earth's gravity.
"


http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/kids_space/qearth_atm.html

It appears that hydrogen does exist in our atmosphere by itself in some quantity. I'm not claiming there is enough there to use for fuel cells. Far from it. I'm just saying that stating that hydrogen doesn't occur naturally is ridiculous.

Anyway, back on to topic, I think I should start quoting some Republicans from that article as folks don't quite seem to understand how harsh this stuff is:

Quote: "
In appearances on news talk shows, Republican senators also urged Bush to be more open with the American public after the disclosure of a classified CIA (news - web sites) report that gave a gloomy outlook for Iraq and raised the possibility of civil war.
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Quote: "
"The fact is, we're in deep trouble in Iraq ... and I think we're going to have to look at some recalibration of policy," Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel (news, bio, voting record) of Nebraska said on CBS's "Face the Nation."
"


Quote: "
"We made serious mistakes," said Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), an Arizona Republican who has campaigned at Bush's side this year after patching up a bitter rivalry.

McCain, speaking on "Fox News Sunday," cited as mistakes the toleration of looting after the successful U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 and failures to secure Iraq's borders or prevent insurgents from establishing strongholds within the country.
"


FYI, Rumsfield had a pre-war plan handed to him that had provisions for dealing with looting and he threw it away. I'll dig up a link later to back that claim up when I get the time.

Quote: "
Sen. Richard Lugar (news, bio, voting record), an Indiana Republican and chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, also criticized the administration's handling of Iraq's reconstruction.

Only $1 billion of $18.4 billion allocated by Congress for the task has been spent, Lugar said. "This is the incompetence in the administration," he said on ABC's "This Week."
"


So much for soverign government:
Quote: "
Sen. John Kyl, like McCain an Arizona Republican, said, "Allowing the Iraqis to make the decisions not to go into some of these sanctuaries, I think, turns out to have not been a good decision, which we're going to have to correct now by going in with our Marines and Army divisions."
"


Finally, to sum up:
Quote: "
Biden said disappointment with Bush's policies was bipartisan. "Dick Lugar, Joe Biden, Chuck Hagel, John McCain -- we are all on the same page. It is us and the administration. This has been incompetence so far," he said.
"
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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 11:39
Wow, I'm not going to read 6 pages of stuff, but in response to Pet Rat:

Quote: "What Saddam was doing with his country was his buisness, it had nothing to do with Bush."


Easy for many of us to say from our carefree lives with our warm beds with which we can go to sleep at night without fear of being murdered by our own head of state. 'Nuff said.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 11:51
watching debate right now... dammit, talk about something other than iraq, like social security, healthcare, i mean come on... iraq is really important, but they've been on iraq for more than 45 mins..

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 11:54
Iraq is the most important part. Iraq will win or lose the debate.

Can't wait to see the transcripts though:

Bush:

Pause
Well [stutter] i
pause
WMD!!
OSAMA... i mean saddam
pause
stutter


haha

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 12:00 Edited at: 1st Oct 2004 12:01
teehee, Kerry is raping Bush.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 12:06
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/blog/09/30/begala.blog/

Blog play by play

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 12:10
I like this Paul Begala guy.

Ooh, that's the stuff!











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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 12:18
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/blog/09/30/novak.blog/

Thats the other side... and even he admitted bush is having freezes.

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Ok F*ckers....this is gone on to LONG!!!! I WANT TO TELL YOU PLAIN IN CLEAR I COULD NOT FIND 30% OF THE SITES LISTED IN: GOOGLE, YAHOO, OR ANYTHING!!!!!!! YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF WHINY, SNOBY, WHAT-I-CANT-GET-MY-WAY!?!?!?!?!?, TAX RAISEN, LUNITIC, MONEY LOVEN, DEMOCRATIC SNOBS!!! (none implied for the Bushinators)

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Sorry, I was mad at some posts..

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 12:31
Not democratic, Independant leaning left, thank you...


Quote: "Ok F*ckers....this is gone on to LONG!!!! I WANT TO TELL YOU PLAIN IN CLEAR I COULD NOT FIND 30% OF THE SITES LISTED IN: GOOGLE, YAHOO, OR ANYTHING!!!!!!! YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF WHINY, SNOBY, WHAT-I-CANT-GET-MY-WAY!?!?!?!?!?, TAX RAISEN, LUNITIC, MONEY LOVEN, DEMOCRATIC SNOBS!!! (none implied for the Bushinators)
"


Tax raising, don't mind if we do. We are in a deficit, gotta clean it up some how. Bush did some nice Tax raising, breaks for the rich, breaks for the poor, and us middle classers get F*cked in the ass.

As for not being able to find these sites... well someone is a loser.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 12:32
Well thus ends Round 1... 2 weeks till round 2 of Debates, and then 2 weeks after that.

Quote: " dammit, talk about something other than iraq, like social security, healthcare, i mean"


You'll see that in round 3 when it is on "Domestic policys".

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what? any way I am not middle classed then *sarcasm* I am middle DUMB AS*!!!!!! I did not get f@cked, but then again you probably live in a democrat state!!!!!! I live in the middle of the us and taxes BARELY got raised!!! SO F*CK YOU!!! Hmmm!

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 12:39
Actually, i live in utah. Not a more republican state then utah (look at jimmy). Hell we haven't had a democratic Goverener in how many years...

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I'm from AZ, lived here most of my life!




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YO BEAR NOOOOOOO!!!!! My entire family is republican, including my 14 relatives in az!!!! NO DEMOCRATS ALLOWED!!!!

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Check da SIG!

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CHECK DA SIG!!

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JFK stop spamming


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@JFK Jam For Kennedy

"Ok F*ckers....this is gone on to LONG!!!! I WANT TO TELL YOU PLAIN IN CLEAR I COULD NOT FIND 30% OF THE SITES LISTED IN: GOOGLE, YAHOO, OR ANYTHING!!!!!!! YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF WHINY, SNOBY, WHAT-I-CANT-GET-MY-WAY!?!?!?!?!?, TAX RAISEN, LUNITIC, MONEY LOVEN, DEMOCRATIC SNOBS!!! (none implied for the Bushinators)"

What are you? 13?

Kid, grow some hair on your nuts and post whatever site you couldn't find. I'll personally quote the whole damn thing so you can see how much of screw-up George Bush is.

You think Bush is brilliant? Refute my claims. I've provided my evidence. All you've provided is whiny 13 year old banter. Step up, be a man, and argue like an adult. That is, if you're capable of it.
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You ever have any factual based posts?

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Ok if you ask me that I ask all the democrats. all of you exact questions. You see, There is many problems with your beleifs in money, war, choice, life, entire everything. ask me one thing and I will awnser.

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Quote: "ask me one thing and I will awnser."


Does your mother know you look at so much gay porn?

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@JFK Jam For Kennedy

"Ok if you ask me that I ask all the democrats. all of you exact questions. You see, There is many problems with your beleifs in money, war, choice, life, entire everything. ask me one thing and I will awnser."

Err....huh? Try that again, in English please.

And for the record, I'm not a democrat. I'm registered with no party affliation. I believe, as George Washington believed, that parties are no good for this country. People mindless support their party no matter what instead of judging the issues by the facts. Case in point: You.

And my offer still stands.
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Does yours??? Oh, yah your "grown up" so why do you live with your mom and have sex with kerry every night....I mean watch geek shows?(eric t and the democrats)

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No kidding, I can argue better than this loser, and I'm 13. I'm im student congress too

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 13:05 Edited at: 1st Oct 2004 13:40
I live with my mama cause the cost of rent go's up when people like bush over tax the average joe apartment building manager.

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13 to days ago!

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Dude seriosuly JFK go screw yourself. All the sh*t you know about politics is swearing at Democrats, I bet you don't know sh*t about anything.

You can be a republican, and hate democrats that's fine, but stop all the "F*CK DEMOCRATS F*CK KERRY"

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You're a hopeless case, that's all I have to say.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 13:12
Question:

Are you aware of any other democrat heads then kerry? Or do you just love him so much that you only know about him. Do you even know the difference between Left and Right wing? How about Liberal and Conservative?

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Doubt it.

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I'm guessing the answer is no as well. This guy is clueless.

Also, it's pretty ironic that someone would have "JFK Jam For Kennedy" as their name when they hate democrats so much.

I wonder if he even knows who JFK is.
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sad really. I wouldn't vote for bush. I won't vote for bush that is.

I'm voting for Kerry.

Why not Bush?
Lowered Gov't aid.
Tax cuts that don't help the working public.
His stance on abortion (he's against)
His stance on gay marriage (wants to pass an amendment banning it for heaven's sake!! Why not ban all of our freedoms)
His stance on Iraq (not helping the situation, just wasting time)

He's an idiot, and he's not helping the US.

Why Kerry?

Wants to help the elderly, has plans for post graduate HS students to volunteer two years to help the elderly, in return he will pay for up to 4 years of their college education.

Wants to leave marriage laws up to the state.

He's for stem cell research.

He's not against abortion. It's not murder, would you rather have children suffer, abused, their fate decided before they even have a mind? You may say "Well they can give them up for adoption!" What has bushed helped with parents? He's taken away gov't assistance, he's anti-sex education. Do you realize websites have had to take down truthful information about sexual protection because of him? Information that states that condemns work. That birth control works?

He wants to finish the Iraq war, not just bail out, but rethink the war and try to get countries to actually help him do it.

He wants to stop nuclear proliferation in all countries INCLUDING the US. Whereas bush is funding Nuclear bunker busters!! What kind of message is that??

'Nuff said. I vote Kerry.

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lol ur right... jfk was democrat . Dumb@$$.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2004 13:24
Whats the spread on he comes back with a copy paste answer?

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On left and right wing? I put my life savings in

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Jfk=conservative democrat that lowered taxes
conservative=republican
liberal=democrat
right wing=republican
left wing=democrat
yes I am aware of the others, but he is the highest democratic threat to the american people!

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Quote: "conservative democrat "


Hmm...

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