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billy the kid
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HAHAHAHA!!!

I like that.
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*ignores eric's thread*

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Hey Kids! Quit all the yellin' I'm tryin to code here!

Ok just to state where I stand with this I'm with the Christian "freaks". Mo' pow'r to you guys out there!

Ok now instead of adding to this pointless discussion I'm going to point something out. First off to my brother(or sister if your not a guy) Christians everyone arguing against the Bible all the old laws the feasability(SP?) of the Ark ETC... are not going to belive you or me or anyone no matter what we say, they've made up their minds and aren't going to change them so this is all pointless and stupid. There is no reason to argue they just want a fight. We don't need to defend ourselves for what we are there just isn't any point to it, all your'e really doing is giving them a couple of laughs. You should just walk away and not worry about it, unless your like me and are always up for a good fight! But thats not really the best policy. I can understand answering questions about the Bible and such if asked but they aren't asking, they're just baiting you into an arguement so walk away and forget about 'em.
Your brother in Christ -Thomas

BTW those were some nice answers back there.


@ Indie you should be ashamed of yourself I thought you were more mature than to start a pointless flame war, and a moderator too! Naughty Indie!

The above phrase sets the stage for my next lil' turn at the keyboard. Why do these kinda posts happen on forums? If I see another "Religion 'VS' Science"thread I'm gonna gut someone! But just on a side note in the defence of my fellow Belivers who have been acused of "Forcing" their religion on people, I'd like to point out that all of these kind of threads are started by people who don't belive in Christianity or Creation or whatever the fight is over they are ALWAYS on the side acussing Chritians of something or other or say that their beliefs are stupid I haven't seen anyone ever start a thread that is trying to force people to belive in Jesus or in this case the Ark and flood. So whats up with you guys? I know I proll'y just fanned the flames but I just wanted to ask that. Sorry for the messed up spelling and stuff my keyboard is sorta out of wack.

@ My second rant to Indie
You are a MOD!Act with some maturity will ya! You made a thread that turned the placeinto a playground of four yearolds doin' the "my dad could whip your dad" argument it's really pitiful when the people who are suppose to be the voice of reason go off and jack sumthin like this out of their trousers. Or possibly in your case Skirts? Sorry just had to take a parting shot.

Could someone lock this thread? Like right now, please? It really doesn't do anything but divide the community over an argument that really hasn't got much to do with coding or games or music or any of the things we normally discus on here.

Smile, it confuses people.
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Quote: "may I remind you that jsut a few months ago there was a huge 'flood' - the tsunami."


I understand you disagree, but that's no reason to be a complete moron.


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i've pawned every religeon vs anti religeon thread that this forum's had, and i know i'll pwn this one, so you may aswell lock it to save me the bother.

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"I am the lord thy god, thou shalt not have strange gods before me
Thou shalt not take the name of the lord they god in vain
Thou shalt keep holy the sabbath

Pure BS, justspooky language to scare and control primitive people. throw these out, down to 3."
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No, your wrong. It uses 'spooky' language because that particular version of the bible was translated when 'thy' and 'shalt' etc were in common use.

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Do not have other gods besides Me.
20:4
Do not make an idol for yourself, whether in the shape of anything in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.
20:5
You must not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the fathers' sin, to the third and fourth [generations] of those who hate Me,
20:6
but showing faithful love to a thousand [generations] of those who love Me and keep My commands.
20:7
Do not misuse the name of the Lord your God, because the Lord will punish anyone who misuses His name.
20:8
Remember to dedicate the Sabbath day:
20:9
You are to labor six days and do all your work,
20:10
but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. You must not do any work-you, your son or daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the foreigner who is within your gates.
20:11
For the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and everything in them in six days; then He rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and declared it holy.
20:12
Honor your father and your mother so that you may have a long life in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
20:13
Do not murder.
20:14
Do not commit adultery.
20:15
Do not steal.
20:16
Do not give false testimony against your neighbor.
20:17
Do not covet your neighbor's house. Do not covet your neighbor's wife, his male or female slave, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor

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That's taken from The Holman Christian Standard Bible - there's many more.

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Quote: "may I remind you that jsut a few months ago there was a huge 'flood' - the tsunami."

I understand you disagree, but that's no reason to be a complete moron
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How's that being a moron? It's making a point.

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Where does everyone get the idea that 5-6 people arguing "divides the community"? Seriously, it's just a spat, let it go, don't read the thread if you want it locked. In fact, just imagine that it IS locked, there now don't click it, because clicking a locked thread is just stupid.


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Quote: "How's that being a moron? It's making a point."


That wasn't a flood, it was a wave.


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Quote: "i've pawned every religeon vs anti religeon thread that this forum's had, and i know i'll pwn this one, so you may aswell lock it to save me the bother."


I would usually say "Bring It On!" , however...these discussion have just tired me out...so I give up early...unless i change my mind AGAIN later on.

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Yes, I know that. However if over 2000 years people verbally told the story don't you think the word 'flood' might come up.

I.e. Starts: 'it was like a huge flood'

>50 Generations of hand me down storys<

Ends: 'a huge flood'

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sorry jimmy, but some of us even though dont want to bother feel we have a moral duty to stand up for our beliefs, especially being a sagitarius, well known for perserverance until the end.

this moral duty is heightened by the fact it's something i try to focus on more than anything else in my life, and for a group of arsholes to come and tell me im doing it all wrong, i have to fight back and show them for the ignorami they are.

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Quote: " Yes, I know that. However if over 2000 years people verbally told the story don't you think the word 'flood' might come up.

I.e. Starts: 'it was like a huge flood'

>50 Generations of hand me down storys<

Ends: 'a huge flood'"


not to mention my first ever point of translation errors and language change.

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@killswitch

Roman catholic version I was talking about... the ones moses carried down the hill on the plaqe... the ones displayed in that courthouse in alabama.

http://www.dvrbs.com/GeorgeCarlin-TheTenCommandments.htm

I edited my other post too..

But since killseitch posted them other commandments, I'll be back soon with MY own edits of those.

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They're not 'the other commandments' they're just a modern translation. The RC version was translated 100's of years ago in Old English. In my RC school we use a modern translation - The Good News Bible. It all just depends.

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Quote: "Noah's ark as a story is, of course, completly impossible - there's no way you could get two of every animal on any boat you could build back then."


There we are again. Did you even read the first 2 pages? For somebody who "knows so much" about this kind of thing, you should first read what our point of views are first. I.e. those who believe that God created everything including the earth, water, and all creatures, don't have a problem with God helping Noah fit the animals on the boat.

Quote: "Just search google, and see how many different versions of the bible there are - and that's not even the full lot. There are hundreds of other books that the vatican hasn't included - some because they are quie obviously fakes, and others because they don't fit in with the others."


Actually pretty much all of these versions you speak of are pretty much the same, just written in different times for modern people to understand. I have trouble understanding the King James version so I read the NIV. It's nothing more than that.

And the Vatican wasn't the one who chose the books from MY bible, thank you very much. It was decided at the council of nicea, and the vatican decided to add a bunch of their own books for the Catholics.

Catholicism and Christianity are very different. Mr. Obvious again but some of you don't seem to get it.


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Posted: 28th Mar 2005 09:19 Edited at: 28th Mar 2005 09:20
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Quote: " Yes, I know that. However if over 2000 years people verbally told the story don't you think the word 'flood' might come up.

I.e. Starts: 'it was like a huge flood'

>50 Generations of hand me down storys<

Ends: 'a huge flood'"


But God dictated the history to Moses when he wrote Genesis. It wasn't as if Moses wrote the first books of the Bible from generations of stories and legends.

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Quote: "Could someone lock this thread? Like right now, please? "


It's not nearly out of hand yet


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I do know that there is a difference between Catholicism and Christianity - I'm just a bit too used to refering to Catholic history/teachings.

And wasn't Noah's boat a spefic dimension? I'm sorry but there is no physical way in which two of every creature can fit onto a boat that's less than 10 miles square.

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can I be Mrs. Obvious?


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Posted: 28th Mar 2005 09:22 Edited at: 28th Mar 2005 09:23
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Quote: "I do know that there is a difference between Catholicism and Christianity - I'm just a bit too used to refering to Catholic history/teachings."


Oh yeah, you grew up a Catholic.

Quote: "And wasn't Noah's boat a spefic dimension? I'm sorry but there is no physical way in which two of every creature can fit onto a boat that's less than 10 miles square."


I posted a link to the bible.gospelcom.net page that outlines the exact specs of the boat in size.

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Quote: " can I be Mrs. Obvious?"


Sure


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omg ffs killswitch, its people liek you in this thread that get on my tits. read peoples points and comebacks before reposting it again.

edit: maybe i should rehighlight:
as jeku said. god made the world, whats so had about him fitting a few animals on a friggin boat?

as i said, back then the world was just arabia, and it was around that era that there was a great flood in the persian gulf due to some kind of resurgance trailing back from the ice age.

since the world was just arabia, the animals included do not include friggin jaguars and penguins.

and as i said, the clean animals bit probably has roots similar to islam;s belief of clean and dirty, not meaning the animals physical appearance or health, but theres certain categories of animals, for example, cats are regarded as "clean" and reptiles aren't, so its not like he had to include snakes and iguanas in the whole fitting on the ship equation

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Yeah for like serious!


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I found a great explanation of the size of the ark.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c013.html

Since the ark was roughly the size of 20 standard basketball courts, I think the animals would have fit quite nicely


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Posted: 28th Mar 2005 09:28 Edited at: 28th Mar 2005 09:31
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I really don't understand how people can get so stuck to the way in which things are written down in a few books. Just because I write something here doesn't mean it's true - equally just because some guy wrote some stuff >2000 years ago and a lot of people believe it doesn't mean it's true.

Every cilivilsation that has ever existed has had some sort of religious system, and written text - but they've all become outdated - because they're wrong. (I'm talking Ancient Romans, Greeks etc).

Don't you realise just how much each religion borrows from eachother, and from previous religions? Did you know that Catholocism, and therefore all of Christianity (as Catholocism is the root) was developed just to keep the Roman Empire together? It's a mix of lots of things:

Halos are from sun worship.
Christmas is in place of a pagan festival (so they wouldn't miss it).
All Souls Day is in place of another pagan festival.

IMHO ALL Religions are GOOD ideas - i.e. the way they teach people to behave - but I don't believe that 'God' exists at all.

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I can't read the come backs 'cause im posting while they've been posted.

Quote: "
These dimensions are especially interesting when compared to those given in the mythical, Babylonian account of the Ark.
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That just proves my point that the 'Ark' as well as other stories are just legands that are based on previous legands.

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@killswitch

Quote: "Do not have other gods besides Me. "


Just trying to scare people.... thats all.

Quote: "Do not make an idol for yourself, whether in the shape of anything in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth."


I dunno what to say... are you sure this isn't a cult?

Quote: "You must not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the fathers' sin, to the third and fourth [generations] of those who hate Me,"


So he's jealous of competition eh? ******* pussy if you ask me. And then punishing children for their fathers sins? Good, that'll teach them not to let their old man get drunk and get some from the chick who brought him the cocktail.

Quote: "but showing faithful love to a thousand [generations] of those who love Me and keep My commands."


So he only loves those who follow his command eh? Saddam Hussein didn't kill who would follow his command. Saddam also punished severly those who stole etc.. I think I am onto something here.

Quote: "Do not misuse the name of the Lord your God, because the Lord will punish anyone who misuses His name."


Well goddamn, that goddamn god is gonna smite my goddamn ass for using his goddamn name in vein... god thats so unfair

Sounds like a socially unadept child to me.

Quote: "Remember to dedicate the Sabbath day"

I do... I dedicate it to football!

Quote: "You are to labor six days and do all your work"


So we're not alowd to take saturdays off? Well, theres a lot of sinners there.

Quote: "but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. You must not do any work-you, your son or daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the foreigner who is within your gates."


All hospital workers who work on sundays are now sinners. Ain't that nice.

Quote: "For the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and everything in them in six days; then He rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and declared it holy."


And the proof of this is, where?
Quote: "Honor your father and your mother so that you may have a long life in the land that the Lord your God is giving you. "


But what if they beat you? What if they are not good parents? It needs to be earned, not granted.

Quote: "Do not murder."


Religion is great with this

Quote: "Do not commit adultery."


Finally, something relevant.

Quote: "Do not steal.

Do not give false testimony against your neighbor.
[quote]

Ok, I can agree with these.

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Do not covet your neighbor's house. Do not covet your neighbor's wife, his male or female slave, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor[/quote]

As carlin said, keeps the economy going.

So really, all you have here, is a list of things that try to scare you into submission under a invisible man. And you can never have any proof that any of this will pay off so you follow it blindly hoping that it will. Well i'm gonna put my money on its not.

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Quote: "IMHO ALL Religions are GOOD ideas - i.e. the way they teach people to behave - but I don't believe that 'God' exists at all."


doesnt mean you have to make us sound like idiots just cos we do believe in a god.

Quote: "
Don't you realise just how much each religion borrows from eachother, and from previous religions?"


maybe its related to the fact that these religeons that share the same beliefs all believe they were started by THE ONE god, and all its prophets are the same, its just that each "division" is what some people agree with and others dont.

the qu'ran being the latest addition to the bible and torah says "treat jews and christians like mulsims, and their books like they were the qu'ran itself, for they to were written by the hand of god"

Quote: "Every cilivilsation that has ever existed has had some sort of religious system, and written text - but they've all become outdated"
clearly a pesemistic view, look at how many religeons are still alive today after ebing around for millenia, you even mentioned peganism yourself.

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Eric you're going to hell


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I agree with you - 'laws' of religions are just ways to keep societies ticking over.

There's a great example of this small isolated island that had a religion and calander based around the growth of a certian crop. The crop the people needed. It just goes to show you that people make religions to suit their need.

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And as you've missed or ignored eric, Christians are no longer bound by those laws. You've never read the Bible, so you don't understand why the 10 commandments were set in place and why a new greater law was given by Christ. I don't have time to tell you, nor do I really want to after reading that post.


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Quote: " I agree with you - 'laws' of religions are just ways to keep societies ticking over."
thats what politicians do, not religous people.

Quote: "
There's a great example of this small isolated island that had a religion and calander based around the growth of a certian crop. The crop the people needed. It just goes to show you that people make religions to suit their need."
you probably dont realise how much you just contradicted yourself.

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There's one test that always struck me in my mind:

If I told you that I knew a man who preached the word of God, could heal to sick and exorcise deamons would you believe me? If I could show you the man who claimed to be the son of god would you believe it was really him? If I told you that I knew heaven existed, and that I had seen the face of God, would you take my word for it?

If your answer is honestly 'yes' to all of those, then you've got a lot of faith. If you said 'no' then maybe its time to have a long think...

@El_Goof

Nope, I don't realise how I've contridicted myself. Please explain how.

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If there is a god then other animals other than humans would also know about it and have the same belifes but they dont it seems the only animal to suffer for schizophrenia is the only animal to belive in god

Any spelling mistakes are totally In tensional.
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Quote: " Christians are no longer bound by those laws."


And when did this end? And why did it end?

Do elaborate.

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Jesus brought with him the 'new covenant', but he also obeyed the ten commandments, as well as Jewish law. Christians are bound by the same commandments.

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Ok repeat after me:

A Catholic is a Christian, but a Christian isnt necessarily a Catholic.

And again:

A Catholic is a Christian, but a Christian isnt necessarily a Catholic.

One more time:

A Catholic is a Christian, but a Christian isnt necessarily a Catholic.

A Christian is someone who believes Jesus was the son of God in the most simplistic definition. And since Catholics believe that, they are Christian. Actually they were the first Christians because the religion Paul founded was Catholicism. Now I know the slang of today, so I know when you guys say Christian you mean non-Catholic. But dont be saying Catholics arent Christians. Thats like saying apples arent fruits.
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Eric, I'm not going to elaborate if you're just going to attack everything I say. Believe it or not, this is something that is very important to me and I don't believe you honestly care about what I would have to say.


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Quote: "If I told you that I knew a man who preached the word of God, could heal to sick and exorcise deamons would you believe me? If I could show you the man who claimed to be the son of god would you believe it was really him? If I told you that I knew heaven existed, and that I had seen the face of God, would you take my word for it?

If your answer is honestly 'yes' to all of those, then you've got a lot of faith. If you said 'no' then maybe its time to have a long think..."


you just contradicted yourself. i say no, and i dont need to have a long think, that is because being a muslim, i believe that mohammed (pbuh) was the last prophet, and there wont be any more, nor has there been one since. therefore, if you said you knew a man who could do such things, i'd gladly meet him, just to say hello, but i wouldn't make a treck across the world to meet him.

however, if i didnt believe in islam, then maybe, nah i still wouldnt, i'm too lazy, i'd wait for the word to spread to me.

Quote: "If there is a god then other animals other than humans would also know about it and have the same belifes but they dont it seems the only animal to suffer for schizophrenia is the only animal to belive in god"
if you used punctuation i''d understand you, but if you're trying to say what i think you're trying to say, then i think you need to learn about religeon.

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A lot of christian demoninations are very similar, the Russian and Greek orthodox churches are almost identical to the catholic church - but there are still differences.

~It's a common mistake to make, the rules of the English langauge do not apply to insanity~
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Posted: 28th Mar 2005 09:44
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No, this is for the sake of knowing when this ended. Cause as of only a few years ago, christians I knew were still following these commandments.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2005 09:46 Edited at: 28th Mar 2005 09:53
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WHY? Do these threads always pop up everywhere? Every forum in existance must have at least one. Hmmm....

EDIT: Oh when I said devide the community I just meant that it could happen. I've been on a smaller web site where this happened and alot of people got banned and such but I understabd that this is diffrent but what happens when people start to hate each other over this? You know it will happen sooner or later don't you. The BIG statements going to come and then everyone will get pissed and then it will get locked. Gaurenteed This is a really funny read though.

Smile, it confuses people.
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killswitch whats your point?

eric, infact everyone, why do you constantly have to attack us?

we follow various religeons, why should it offend you.

if you ignorami had the slightest concept of what religeon was about, you'd know its something that no-one will give up for the sake of a few jerks trying to make a point on the internet. why does a walk to the temple offend some people?

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lmao @ the ads at the bottom of the page:

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lol ben...

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Posted: 28th Mar 2005 09:53
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@ goorf

I never was like this till I came to utah. I used to be tolerant... then I took one walk through downtown Salt Lake City.

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Its simply because we are in the information age not in the dark ages.

The problem is more that science allows for a god but some people, saying no names El_Groof, belive more in someone saying "trust me" than science. a method of learning about the physical universe by applying the principles of the scientific method, which includes making empirical observations, proposing hypotheses to explain those observations, and testing those hypotheses in valid and reliable ways.

Any spelling mistakes are totally In tensional.
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Posted: 28th Mar 2005 09:54 Edited at: 28th Mar 2005 09:57
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and what the hell do i or 99% of other religeous people have to do with Utah?

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Posted: 28th Mar 2005 09:57 Edited at: 28th Mar 2005 10:00
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Hey man I think that those are Mormans, and they don't have much to do with Christians.

Augh! I can't belive I'm posting on this thing! *slaps forehead* After I made such a big deal not too.

That was funny Ben.

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You see, whenever you walk through downtown SLC, you are bombarded with missionaries etc.. trying to convert you and such. I noticed this complete disregard for others religions here and said to myself "hey, if they don't have to be tolerant of me, then I don't have to be tolerant either".

That started my intolerance for others religions/beliefs.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2005 09:59
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As an aetheist, I think that I'm right - in my mind I am right. I really fail to see how people living in this day can believe in things like 'God' or magical healings. It doesn't make sense to me at all.

I honestly, and whole heartedly, agree with most of the Catholic churches teachings - I'm anti-abortion, and anti-euthanasia for example. However I don't match up the the whole God thing.

I think that if people actually tought about what they are being told, instead of believing it straight away without question then we wouldn't need to have this, or similar, posts.

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