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Josh
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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 14:00 Edited at: 14th Mar 2007 14:01
@ KeithC:

I’ve activated your account for you; please make sure the email address in your profile is correct, as this is very important.


@ FredP:

Quote: "I just tried to resubmit my site and it just keeps sending me back to the blue page where it says "Click on the button to submit link"."


Well it seems your site was in the moderation queue, I've activated it now.


@ All:

Some websites that have been submitted have not been activated just yet as I want to use them to test out some of the new moderation features, please be patient. Thanks.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 14:24
Thanks.Just check it out and everything looks nice.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 14:27
Josh:

Everytime I try to log in, it takes me back to the main page without logging me in. I can't get in to submit my site, and I have nothing coming into my e-mail inbox.

Right now, I am unable to do anything.

-Keith

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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 17:10
That sounds like a problem with your cookie settings, try reducing the security settings on your browser, and stop your firewall from blocking cookies! lol

Or failing that use a decent browser such as FireFox.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 18:01
Or if you don't want to lower security settings, just allow the Webring to write down cookies.

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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 18:13
Yep, that worked. I only had my security setting on Medium though. Anyways, it's awaiting moderation now; thanks.

-Keith

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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 20:47 Edited at: 14th Mar 2007 21:15
Sorry guys, I was wrapped up in prepping for the release of EE recently and didn't know the mod functions were working until just now, I'll sign into CT right now and start doing my duties

Edit: A lot of sites are in the tutorials section, but I'm not sure who actually wants to be there or not, so I don't want to go making any changes. If your website is sitting in tutorials, make sure your site belongs there, else you can move it to the proper forum or drop me a line and I can do it for you.

Whose "Preston P. Chaderton Designs?" I can't seem to find anything on the site about TGC-related stuff, and I'm unfamiliar with the name, but I figured I would consult with others first just to be sure. I don't want to do anything rash on my first proper day as a mod .

I inspected and approved the sites waiting in the queue today and I played around with the MISoft entry to learn my way around the system(that way if I made a mistake, it would only effect me, hehe). I definitely love the layout, and I dig the mod functionality, it's perfectly easy to understand and use. You did a really great job with this Josh


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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 04:20
Good to hear it's all up and running!

Josh, a suggestion for the Mods, let them leave a sentance or two about why a site has been rejected, then when that user logs in, it will show at the top "Your site has not been approved because; Blah Blah". Then have a 're-submit' or 'challenge' button so they can explain themselves

That way, for example with Preston's site, we can show that there's no DBP related stuff.

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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 04:52 Edited at: 15th Mar 2007 04:54
@Matt: That's my site. A few of my shaders have been included in Freddix's shader pack on the forums, but I've really been out of the loop DBP wise for a long time.

I just submitted my site since I assumed it was a general programming web-ring, not mainly focused on Dark Basic Pro, since it's associated with Coders Turf, which isn't Dark Basic Pro focused.

You can remove it from the ring if you want, sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 07:56
Preston,
It's TGC related (hence TGC-webring), so if you do have some TGC related stuff (like your shaders), say so in the blurb on the webring

Jess.

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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 08:19 Edited at: 15th Mar 2007 08:20
http://tgcwebring.info or
http://tgcwebring.codersturf.com/

I'm too lazy to type it in. So I'm just putting it here so I can click on it.

Edit: Josh, did you make me a mod? Because I can edit anyone's links right now.

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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 11:34 Edited at: 15th Mar 2007 11:38
Same here. Security hole alert?

EDIT: Suggestion, could the home page (http://tgcwebring.codersturf.com/index.php) be a list of the most recently added sites (rather than a "coming soon" message about featured links)?

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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 16:31
Can there also be a 'Tools' section

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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 18:19
Jess said exactly what I would have said. It isn't really DBP-specific, it's just TGC specific, so if your blurb or your website specifically talks about a relationship between the site and TGC, then it's all good .


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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 19:35
JohnY - I agree, a tools section would be cool!

More thoughts:
1) Could a site apply to be in more than 1 section?
2) Could there be a way to rate sites?
3) Could there be a way to order sites (eg order by "clicked", alphabetical and date added)

Just thoughts. Point 3 should be a piece of cake to setup (and I cant see why anyone would be adversed to the idea), point 1 might need some debate and point 2 might need a little more work to implement (I quite like the AJAX way of rating things - eg:
http://www.thingy-ma-jig.co.uk/blog/21-02-2007/free-k800i-wallpapers

I need to theme that a bit - but the basics are on that page for voting (just aboe the end-of-article adsense).

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Posted: 16th Mar 2007 12:27
Nick,
For point 1, you can select more area's under the 'Other Categories:' heading.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2007 20:01
heh I think some things need a bit of clarification here! Only myself, Matt and my CT "managers" are able to moderate links. What you guys can do is submit suggested revisions for links. Maybe I should make this clearer!

Ok Tools category added!

I like some of the ideas coming out here! Very nice. I'll look into rating, ordering, and Jess' notification idea.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2007 20:36
I also need someone to give me a quick master-class on search algorithms and database security.

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i am a newbie i am discovering what you guyz have

reading and reading

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Posted: 16th Mar 2007 21:17
Search... You could use Google Sitesearch (once its indexed)... Then again the internal data is so simple, a LIKE search on the table could work just as well.

Security - how do you mean? Are you talking about XSS (Cross Site Scripting) like code injection, or how to lock down MySQL so nobody else can access it (ie the MySQL GRANT and REVOKE commands)?

Btw, I updated the rating system on my site - its nicely themed to fit in now, although i might still move it. I used the Oslo set from Icon Buffet for the icons.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2007 22:34
I'd much rather have a custom built solution for searching, as you know!

Yeah I mean how to protect from code injection and other security problems that I may not know about. It's a new area for me.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2007 23:27
Custom build - you have 2 options.
1) If you wanna simply do a lookup on a field like title, you can take a textfield and pass the text into a query like this:

That'll lookup all URL's with thingy in the url. You'd need to sanity check for security the text passed into the query.

2) Use a fulltext index. Basically, define the fulltext index on the fields you wanna search, then do a query like this:

That'll search the url, title and description fields for the word thingy and using MySQL's internal search algorithm, will allocate a score to each result. We're only interested in score's above 0.0 and we want the highest score first (ie, descending).


In terms of code injection, there are MANY ways to protect. I know mostly about the way's Drupal does this...
1) Forms contain a 'token' which is used server side to check that the form that was submitted was the same as the form generated by the server. This token is something like the session ID + the timestamp MD5'd together. If you try to submit a form to the target URL of a drupal generated form - but dont include the token matching your own session, it wont submit. This helps to stop cross site attacks (eg, a site creating a script which spams a forum or blog).
2) In terms of queries, drupal has a wrapper API for databases (it supports MySQL, PostGRE SQL and recently Oracle). When you execute a query, you replace all variables with holders and then pass the variabled to the function as arguements - for example"

The %s will get replaced by the function with the contents of $seachterm - but before it does this, it will be checked for things like apostrophe's (which get escaped) and so on. This helps to keep the code neat + provides security. You have a number of placeholders too for sanity checking (eg, %d is decimal and it will literally cast the variable into an int for you).
There are similar functions in drupal for things like input filters, for example - some input fields only accept certain tags.

Drupal has a nice API site if you wanna take a look at how it does its security checks (like the db_query)

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Posted: 20th Mar 2007 20:56 Edited at: 20th Mar 2007 20:57
Hey matt, are you moderating yet

It's just that I've been waiting ages for my link to be revised.

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2007 05:01 Edited at: 22nd Mar 2007 05:09
Really? I thought I already posted it several days ago... I'm sorry, I'll try it again!

Edit: Done, sorry for the delay.

Goorf, before I forget, you need a link back to the TGC webring on your website before I can allow it to be submitted. I searched high and low for a link-back but I wasn't able to find one.

I could have sworn there was a button in the mod section for posting messages if something has to be denied, so the person could fix errors, or maybe we just talked about it? Or maybe I thought about it and forgot to bring it up, either way, Josh, this would be a pretty handy feature I think . If it could be done without too much headache of course.


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Posted: 22nd Mar 2007 05:46
Quote: "If it could be done without too much headache of course."


From my standpoint it shouldn't be too hard. Meaning it shouldn't be too hard for Josh either.

Quote: "are you moderating yet "


Well, I could of modded it, but you know. I just don't have privilige there yet. so you know.

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Ok then, thanks And don't worry about not being able to moderate stuff yet dabip.

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2007 23:23 Edited at: 22nd Mar 2007 23:23
Yep Matt that feature is coming, should it send an email to the user when a message is posted?

I've not decided whether PM or custom message on web ring is best yet...


@ dabip:

Did you want to be a MOD also, sorry I forgot...

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2007 05:46
Quote: "By MattThat works by me, and we're all in different time zones so that could help (wait... are we? Where are you Dab?)"




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Quote: "should it send an email to the user when a message is posted?"

I would like that, I think it would be best because some users might not log into CT every day to check the status of their pending site. Thanks, that will be a great feature!

Lol Dabip, International Man of Mystery


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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 17:07
I still need El Goorf to add a link to the webring on his site so I can accept his submission, I just wanted to mention that again in case he missed my last casting call .


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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 07:58
Searching the 5 pages here, and the webring(thought it may of even been in tools, but no go) I hear talk of RSS feeds but I'm yet to see a way to subscribe, or a link.

Though not sure if I'd join or not, or even be able to. There will be adult content on the site, but this blanket term can take many forms. Mine is a mature game with mature speech in the comic cut scenes. Making the site because censoring things for the showcase or forums here takes time I don't have. Only the root url has a age verification on it, so not sure if this meets the criteria for this ring.

I hope that explains to Nicholas Thompson why there would be adult material on a game related site. Wasn't being sarcastic but answering his question:
Quote: "Why on earth would there be adult content to start with? Its a game development webring, not a porn site!"


Anyway, back to my original train of thought(my choo-choo gets derailed easy)- Regardless if my site was part of this ring, I'd love to be able to link to other indie devs, and any feeds they may have. I want every part of this site to scream indie except it's design. I looked at a number of the spotlighted sites, and other then a small TGC web ring icon and rss listed on 2 pages of this thread I don't seem to see anything.

Have I missed something?
Was this dropped?

Thanks
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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 11:16
Locrian - thanks for that. I was being a little sarcastic in my question - but the point was there about the likelihood of adult content being low. If I were doing the site, the adult content thing would be a "flag" on the link and it would appear like a stamp next to each link, but I'm not doing the site hehe.

Maybe the ring should have an aggregator which will pickup the feeds of people's sites but only for certain tags (for example, on my site you'd only aggregate www.thingy-ma-jig.co.uk/tags/dbp/feed).

This is how "Drupal Planet" works - it aggregates the feeds for people's sites and you give the guy in charge of it (its moderated that way) a link to your blogs Drupal feed.

I assume SMF is capable of aggregation isn't it josh?

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The editing feature isn't working for me My site description is still promoting media and tutorials but I gave up on that weeks ago and I'm in some of the wrong sections. Also I appear twice on one of the categories (Once with my newer description). Are you still working on it Josh?

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To my knowledge Josh is still working on things. I think a great feature would be to offer mods the ability to click a box and tag a site as having adult content, so it warns visitors that they're entering a site like that.

As far as in-game content is concerned, I think we had agreed it doesn't matter too much. If your screenshots contain "bad" images and whatnot, we could tag the site with the "adult content" tag when mods approve the link. I'm making a game with adult content including foul language, extreme violence, and nudity, and when people go to check out the game's sub-site, I'm planning to have tags like this warning people about the game... I think it could work in the webring as well.


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Posted: 9th Apr 2007 23:51
Josh (or anyone else) I know you dont wanna use Drupal, however I thought I'd let you know about this module...

http://drupal.org/project/smfforum

It seamlessly integrates SMF with Drupal. My mate is using it on his Theme4urMobilePhone site which is Drupal powered but the forum is SMF powered...
* http://www.themes4urmobilephone.com/
* http://www.themes4urmobilephone.com/forum/


How's the ring going?

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Posted: 14th Apr 2007 22:51
Submissions are grinding to a halt. We all need to keep informing people about it and mentioning it from time to time . I'm going to start hunting for people who aren't yet in the ring who have sites that should be, and contacting them personally about it.


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Posted: 14th Apr 2007 23:09
Submissions were never going to be a regular and constant thing. There aren't THAT many DBP sites and of the ones that exist, only a handfull are any good.

Once Josh has had time to get the ring finished properly, we could get an article into the Newsletter - that will get a fair bit of attention.

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Sorry about going AWOL I didn't think I'd be so busy these last two weeks. OK a few updates!

1) Messaging between users and MODs is coming, a record of all the messages is kept for future reference.
2) Adult content will be marked with an icon, and a popup confirmation message when clicked to warn users.

These will be finished by Monday morning GMT.

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My site still hasn't got a single hit on it from the Web-Ring. What's the req's to get on the Featured Site list?

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I've only had 1.

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Posted: 15th Apr 2007 06:06 Edited at: 15th Apr 2007 06:11
Off the top of my head, here's a few sites that could go on the ring:

Matrix 1 (Ian M's site)
Nick Kingsley (old mod - TCA's site)
Automaton Games (Jeku's site)
David T's site
Blue GUI
Kevin Picone's site (Developer of Play Basic)
Cloggy's D3D DLL (No contact deails, though)
[EDIT] Of course, you'll want to contact each and everyone of those people before putting their site into the webring without permission
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That's all I can think of right now, but I'm sure there's plenty more.

Like inid's really old site... that 100mb one, and the Mat Edit page of TDKs.

The more 'big' sites we get linking to the webring, the more ranking on google we'll get, and hopefully the more click throughs

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Posted: 15th Apr 2007 06:14
Jess - a few VERY important (and mostly already discussed) things need to happen before this ring will be of any use to us in terms of search engine:

1) URL's are still SE unfriendly
2) Page Title doesn't change per category
3) Description text is static for each category
4) There are no Meta Tags
5) Potential dupe content risk (index.php and index.php?view=cat)

Thats just to get started... It is coming on well - but nowhere near finished.

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Posted: 15th Apr 2007 06:16
True that, but give Josh some time and hopefully he'll fix it up

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I'm in no rush

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Posted: 15th Apr 2007 14:52 Edited at: 15th Apr 2007 14:55
Images Hosted By Coders Junk Yard.


If you're basing your clicks on the click counter on the web ring. It doesn't record clicks opened by a middle click (e.g. opening in a new tab.)

It would be great if someone could contact the people who own the websites that Jess posted, so we can get permission to put them on the web ring.


New Features:

* The new moderation page:


* The new My Links page:



Bug Fixes:

* Link revisions now update the original link entry, rather than creating a new link entry.
* The "other" categories are now sent to the database correctly.
* Choosing a preview image which has been uploaded to the Coders Junk Yard now works properly for new link submissions.

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Posted: 15th Apr 2007 15:17 Edited at: 15th Apr 2007 15:19
Quote: "If you're basing your clicks on the click counter on the web ring. It doesn't record clicks opened by a middle click (e.g. opening in a new tab.)"


Why not set up a blank dummy page that when the user clicks a link, it will send them to that page, do a quick bit of database submission, then send them on their way to their actual destination?

No need to output anything, just a few lines to add one to the site's counter, then use the header() directive to send them to the site:



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So, instead of the link to my site going to http://jt0.org, it would go to somewhere like: http://tgcwebring.codersturf.com/?url=http://jt0.org
or, using my site's ID:
http://tgcwebring.codersturf.com/?url=11

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Posted: 15th Apr 2007 15:28
Check the source code... it already does that. Except when the link is middle clicked the browser ignores the 'onclick()' event.

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Posted: 15th Apr 2007 15:36
Ah, but you're using javascript to do the link sending.
Why not just make the link itself to the redirect.php script?

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Posted: 15th Apr 2007 15:45
Wait, I take that back.

If you do make the link just to the redirect script, then the search engines wont index them as outgoing links properly.

I like how you have it now
Ignore me!

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Quote: "If you do make the link just to the redirect script, then the search engines wont index them as outgoing links properly."


Exactly!

I'll have to try and find a work-around because I expect a lot of people middle click now, and of course it wont count a middle click!

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