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Richard Davey
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Hi all,

DBS are on the look-out for a handful of talented DBPro programmers who have a high level of written English and would like to help write DBPro tutorials.

Download the tutorials available to get a good idea of the writing style required and then let me know if you're interested. We will pay you for each tutorial (pay you with either money or software, the choice is yours).

Interested? Then do the following:

1) Email me requesting a copy of the Writing Guidelines
2) Pick one of the Tutorial titles on the list I send you
3) Put together two or three pages of the tutorial
4) Send it to me for evaluation

If your writing style fits in with what we require (and your DBPro and general programming/games knowledge is sufficient enough to make the tutorial useful) then you can continue with the tutorial and we'll buy it from you at the end and hopefully you'll write another one for us.

Feel free to ask any questions you may have here other than "how much will you pay" because that is entirely dependant on the length of the tutorial, the quality of it and the subject matter covered. As a rule of thumb though it would be between $75 and $150 but this is negotiable.

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Any chance of getting a DBDN membership instead of recieving money? If so sign me on.

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Yes you could have that too.

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What type of software would you offer ?

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Anything we sell.

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Hmmm, I wanted to write a tutorial, but I don't know if my English is good enough. I mean, I'm Dutch. I don't exactly know what good English is. BTW can't you post the list here. Or is that a problem?

And I got DBPro today (YAY!). Now I can finally play around with it . Do I need to download patch 4, or is it included? And what about IDE updates? (maybe a bit offtopic )

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Does your list feature anything to do with BSP management and usage Rich?

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Could you post that list here?

Thanks.

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Lol! Kevil... I could swear that you ARE English. Every word of that post made sense and you spoke more fluently than most of the people I know!

Why the hell'd you ask me for crying out loud!?!

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I'd be interested, I just emailed you.

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Me too!!!!!

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Congratulations on getting it kevil, and yes you will need to download patch 4 because it doesn't come with it, I also heavily suggest that you download both of the IDE updates.

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Count me out ! I should have read the "Pro" bit after DB. Are there any tutorials on that list I could write without having to use DBpro commands, like programming basics or something? Never mind if there isn't .

Damn! Oh well, better luck next time.

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Yeah, I believe there is one about Looping and Game structres if that floats your boat.

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Yup, could I do a general one that covers all of the basics, from print statements, to variables and arrays, to loops? I can't do 2D graphics as they are quite a bit different in Pro, but I don't know if you need anything like that Rich?

Thanks

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LOL @ Hamish McHaggis


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Hey Rich, are you only interested tutorials for DBPro only? Or can we write for DBClassic as well because I've loads of functions and technique written in DBC that I'd like to give away and earn something in return.

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@AsriCE

I'm sure that most of your functions could be adapted for DBP

I started work on one last night, I'll send you a sample soon Rich.

BTW.

About presentation, do we have to keep strictly to the style of existing tutorials. So far I have done this generally, but the code boxes have been done in the style of the DBP IDE.

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Hamish - not interested in "what are arrays" at this stage, that stuff is covered in the DB book too well. Something like "Game Statistics - life counters, energy, item collection" would be useful though - i.e. show how to use arrays (etc) to store game data in and manipulate it as the game progresses.

DBPro Tutorials only please.

Rob - yes, you should be using the Tutorial Template we prepared for this (if you didn't get sent it, email me and I'll send it to you). Then the style will be exactly in-line with what we need.

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Sounds good, I'll email you in a minute. Don't know if you need one on actual game design but I wrote a fairly interesting piece not that long ago, of course it would have to be changed into the particular template.

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Thanks for the support Rob but since I don't have DBP(only DBC), I won't be able to tell if my code works there. So, I'm taking myself off the list.

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i think i'll have some tutorial after the weekend which will be good for users... i'll catch you on msn probably today/tommorrow talk to you about it

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I'd like to do that arrays one, but I just want to be completely sure that I'm not writing something that applies to DBC only.

Are arrays the same in DBPro? I know that the "dim array(x)" is the same, but do the types and things apply to arrays aswell as variables?

Also, could I just write examples of how to use and control the arrays in a game situation, or do I have to write a whole game (probably not but I'm asking anyway)?

I will give it a try and send you the results, and then you could decide for sure.

Thanks

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No worries about the coding bit, I can probably make a demo to go with it, I can use the Demo, I have 30 days to make the tutorial.

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I could write a tutorial on a.i. for sports games.

Rich what is your email address?

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[email protected]

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Hey i Wrote a Tutorial on how to make a Battle.net like Multiplayer setup, without an active server would you be interested in buying this i wanted to post it for free but i like money better x-d

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Send it to me and I'll tell you

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ok, i do have to finish it though its only like 1/2 done

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I've just posted a sample tutorial on reflection shading to Rich

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My English is perfect.
My code is surprising(but legible is impossible).
Already I have guaranteed 150 dollar in the pocket. : )))

certain Rick D. ? P

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Hey rich i was wondering, can i like make a kinda mini-fighting game that includes limb collision, Fighting game enemy A.I. and the basic logic for health, lives, strength etc and go through step by step how i created all the sub-functions to make the final game? In other words like the binary moon new tutorials, the tutorial will have to come with the actual game which won't be that big, about 1MB when zipped, maybe less, so as i explain each part they see it 4 real!

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I'm doing one on 3D space and object movement.

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Would be nice to see a list somewhere that's updated with ones that have been done so people don't double up.

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no i think they want people to double up so they can be sure they have the best one. although from the sounds of this we are ALL doing the same ones
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3D space and object movement has been done?

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Not sure about that Maniac, I was going to do a skysphere one but Rich said it had already been done - might've just been a really good one that couldn't need any improving at all. lol.

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The topics which need doing are the slightly more advanced ones, ie. 3D maths and memblocks. That is the area where the documentation isn't useful enough for teaching you practical in-game usage of the commands.

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Is there any chance of posting the list of titles here, I would prefer to know if I could actually write anything before getting involved

I'm sure there would be something I'm good at!

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I could post them, but I don't know if rich will be happy if I do that. All you have to do is email him a and he'll give you the list.

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You can get the list without getting involved, you are only "involved" as soon as you send a sample of a tutorial to Rich.

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If it's too much of a problem to email me for the list, I suggest you're probably not the sort of person we're after to be honest!

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I you have to e-mail Rich to get the list, then he'll have a vague idea of who, and how many people are doing the tuts.

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could anyone answer my question please...
firstly should we be coding this in DBS style or to our own style?
secondly are we creating real tutorials as in, with hand-in-hand htmls guides or as example programs and a brief decription of what is happening like the help currently has & a good number of lil remarks explaining the code in it?

would seem to defeat the point of the excercise if we create tutorials which rich then has to completely rewrite once he gets it for it to be useful.

just wanna know cause i've started on some tutorials, however they were for something else - and i've kinda figured i may as well just convert them for DBPs use too

its a little basic, intermediate to advanced tutorials ... all conforming to a single subject.

in all there would be 10 examples (including putting it all in a single scene) which will cover ->
Hair, Water (with Caustic&Reflection), SoftShadows, Fire, Volumetric Light, Bump Mapping, Vertex Tweening & Collision (not shader based but still a nice effect)

which should be enough for even the most hardened DBPro Developer, no?
Only Kentaree currently know what it'll be about, and only a faint idea. Before i embark on this though - would these effect be wanted to be explained? and even better would someone want to help me with the write up of what is going on as i'm nto good at anything but showing (need someone who can get to a point in less than 6hrs)

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They should be in the exact same format as the ones you can download from this site. I have a Writing Guidelines to follow and a Template to format the Word document with. I ask everyone to send me a couple of pages from their Tutorial before they continue with it any further so I can give feedback and tell them if its worth carrying on or not. So far I've had to turn 1 down and have accepted 4.

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Yeah I emailed you 4 pages of mine but haven't had a reply yet, guess I'll just wait until you read it lol.

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oki... well i'll see about making one of them tonite, pick which one you'd like to try first and then i'll get on with it - and can go from there

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Quote: "If it's too much of a problem to email me for the list, I suggest you're probably not the sort of person we're after to be honest!

Cheers,

Rich"


I'm sorry! It's just that I thought that requesting the list might have been a sign of commitment - which is not definate. But, I am interested and I have a good idea for a tutorial. I'll email you soon.

I was also wondering, why do we have to email you? It might attract more attention if you post up the list. That's all.

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i doubt there is any set list of tutorials they require... probably just want people to cover the more advanced techniques better than they have

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Quote: "i doubt there is any set list of tutorials they require... probably just want people to cover the more advanced techniques better than they have "


Probably right

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Can a tutorial be based on third party commands
(with a dll included, of course)?

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