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budokaiman
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Is that not like the second time someone on this thread has asked that question?



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Indicium
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Quote: " "In dis ee um""


But it's entirely made up - so pronounce it however you'd like.
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Quote: "so pronounce it however you'd like."
Okay!!!!

"Aye n dyke I oohm"

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Quote: "Permission required from a mod to open my NaGaCreMo'15 thread on either the WIP or GC board. My project is a game written in C."


I would say your best bet is:

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_read&i=51

This section was created specifically for that purpose. Typically non-TGC products are frowned upon except in certain circumstances, however, NaGaCreMo has its own board and permits any language, therefore your loophole, my good sir.

Well, not much of a loophole, my WIP from last year was ASP.NET.

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You don't need a lawyer here, the mods point out loopholes for you!

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You don't need a Loophole here, the Lawyers point out Mods for you!

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Yet it's iOS that's copying features available to Android for almost 2-3 years now.

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Ncurses.h

Why is that a word on my phone?

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Well it's a header name for the ncurses library on Linux. So I guess it got put in there somehow. I haven't a clue how/why though.

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Quote: "almost 2-3 years now. "


I estimated 5....... they must be catching up...

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Quote: "Yet it's iOS that's copying features available to Android for almost 2-3 years now."


iOS does them better. They're just hacked together on Android.
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Posted: 3rd Jan 2015 04:01 Edited at: 3rd Jan 2015 04:03
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I used to be strongly opinionated against iOS. However, having used an Android phone for several years, and having used an iOS tablet each day for about 6 months now for school purposes, I can say without doubt that
Quote: "They're just hacked together on Android."
is very true. iOS just works, and smoothly so, practically all of the time. The interface is generally intuitive and free flowing, and the OS always performs as expected. Android on the other hand, it's a lot more like a computer operating system. Things don't always work, some of the interfaces are horrible, indeed by extension there is little consistency, etc.

So really it all depends what type of user you are. For developers/hackers, various individuals who want the latest features, individuals who want a greater variety of hardware choice, or individuals who want to spend less money, Android is the way to go. But if you are willing to pay a little more money, want a generally higher quality system, and don't have needs for the latest and greatest features or software development features, an iOS device is the way to go. I think the latter there covers the majority of consumers.

That's my speel on the issue. Pretty unbiased, I hope.

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It also doesn't help that all the OEMs(Samsung, HTC, Nokia, etc) all tack on their crapware on top of Android. The only pure Android phone out there is either a rooted one or a Google Nexus.

The only interfaces I've ever had issues with were on the apps themselves. System interfaces have always been fairly consistent and fluid. Of course, Samsung's crapware is more polished than most other OEM's from what I hear.

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Posted: 3rd Jan 2015 06:24 Edited at: 3rd Jan 2015 07:08
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Quote: "It also doesn't help that all the OEMs(Samsung, HTC, Nokia, etc) all tack on their crapware on top of Android."
My LG phone has plenty of that, not to mention I have owned the phone for over 2 years without any operating system updates at all. That sort of thing just isn't something you deal with on an Apple device. Granted, an Apple device will bug you to no end to install the latest update.

There is a quote out there: "Can't we all just get along?"

To that I raise this: "Can't we all just agree that every operating system sucks?"



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Posted: 3rd Jan 2015 07:46 Edited at: 3rd Jan 2015 07:49
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Quote: "Please. iOS is superior in every way except your ability to run stolen apps and change some colours or whatever you pro-customization android fans rant on about."


Seriously?? Oh, it's on! The reason to use Android hasn't been how easy it is to get pirated apps since about version 2.3! There's so much about Android that is better than iOS! One thing that IMMEDIATELY leaps to mind is how incredibly horrible it is to transfer files to and from i-devices. iTunes is totally pathetic. PLUS iOS only supports MP4. And what about lack of support for conveniences like floating calculators or screen filters for custom screen dimming (because Android apps can draw over the top of other apps)? Frustratingly limited text editing? The inability to use file browsers? The requirement to have ALL of your installed apps displayed on your home screens? The extremely limited support for file attachments to emails?

The list is just so long that my mind cannot comprehend how anyone could say, so matter-of-factly, that iOS is better than Android!

Here's an idea: Why don't you attempt to list features that make iOS better than Android?

Quote: "@Indicium How do you pronounce your name? "In dik ee um" or "In dis ee um"?"


Weird. I've always pronounced it "in-SID-ee-um". Never noticed it wasn't actually spelled that way

Quote: "Yet it's iOS that's copying features available to Android for almost 2-3 years now."


Definitely true.

Quote: "iOS does them better. They're just hacked together on Android."


looooooooooool HA!

Quote: "It also doesn't help that all the OEMs(Samsung, HTC, Nokia, etc) all tack on their crapware on top of Android. The only pure Android phone out there is either a rooted one or a Google Nexus."


Also true, but think about it this way:

With Apple, you get the iPhone or the iPad. These are high-quality, pure-Apple devices that feature stock, pure iOS. But you also have no other choice.

With Google, you get the Nexus 6 or the Nexus 9. These are high-quality, pure-Google devices that feature stock, pure Android. AND you have a thousand other choices in case these top-of-the-line models don't suit your needs

Quote: "Of course, Samsung's crapware is more polished than most other OEM's from what I hear."


Having owned many different Android devices over the past few years I can definitely say that, out of the standard levels of crapware you get, Samsung's are indeed the most polished. But can also say pretty firmly that HTC's offering have extremely limited levels of crapware, and are basically just a thin skin (their Sense skin) over the top of stock Android. This means that, unlike Samsung, HTC can roll out updates pretty darn quickly, because they only have to make minimal changes.

Quote: "I have owned the phone for over 2 years without any operating system updates at all. That sort of thing just isn't something you deal with on an Apple device."


It's also not something you have to deal with if you buy a Nexus phone or tablet

Quote: "To that I raise this: "Can't we all just agree that every operating system sucks?""


Nope Android doesn't suck and neither does Windows. I love them both

EDIT: Except Windows 8, that does suck!


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Posted: 3rd Jan 2015 08:17 Edited at: 3rd Jan 2015 08:20
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Posted: 3rd Jan 2015 09:43
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lol Just looked at your edit history because I was curious (don't worry, I never repeat anything from edit histories as it would be totally unfair to the editor - they edited their post for a reason, after all), and I have to say, you're very diplomatic! Instead of leaving a potentially offensive post, you edited immediately after posting. You're far, far more restrained than I! I would've just left the post there. I do tend to agree with TheComet's signature, though...


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Quote: "It also doesn't help that all the OEMs(Samsung, HTC, Nokia, etc) all tack on their crapware on top of Android. The only pure Android phone out there is either a rooted one or a Google Nexus.

The only interfaces I've ever had issues with were on the apps themselves. System interfaces have always been fairly consistent and fluid. Of course, Samsung's crapware is more polished than most other OEM's from what I hear."

This is the main issue with android most times. Having used Android on my nexus and ios both on a daily basis, I definitely prefer android. However, I dislike many OEM versions of android, including Samsung's.

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Quote: "Watched every episode years ago. Really, really enjoyed that show "


My brother and I are currently watching all episodes on Netflix. We love it, and especially love Niles' crazy antics he seems to get into.

Fun fact, the guy who played Martin (John Mahoney) is a big wine enthusiast and theater guy, whereas Kelsey Grammer (Frasier) and David Hyde Pierce (Niles) aren't, so they all played total opposites.

I really wish they would remaster the episodes into proper HD. Would look a lot better and more modern!


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Quote: "One thing that IMMEDIATELY leaps to mind is how incredibly horrible it is to transfer files to and from i-devices"


I'll give you that one. I don't care about that anyway though, I listen to music with Spotify and sync with iCloud.

Quote: " PLUS iOS only supports MP4."

Simply not true.

Quote: "And what about lack of support for conveniences like floating calculators"

From the lock screen: Swipe up, hit the calculator button.

Quote: "screen filters for custom screen dimming (because Android apps can draw over the top of other apps)"

One of these fancy customisation options an iPhone has no need for, and doesn't really care about. Personally, yeah, I would like to see f.lux running on the iPhone. It's possible if you jailbreak the system. (No different from 'rooting' android if you ask me.)

Quote: "Here's an idea: Why don't you attempt to list features that make iOS better than Android?"

See that's the problem, it's not about features. You can give my mug a watch and a timer, you can give it a fancy laser pointer and I still only want to drink tea out of it.

Anyway, things that an iPhone can do that Android can't? iMessage. It's completely superior. Delivery and read notifications on every iPhone. Don't argue back with some app like What'sApp because it's not installed by default and it is absolutely optional. iMessage and the iPhone can sync with my macbook to so I can send messages and call anybody, facetime(well, that one is iphone only) anybody from my MacBook.

iCloud and backups. If I make a back up of my phone, and my phone is completely destroyed, I can buy a new iPhone, restore my backup, and it's like I'm using the same phone. All my apps, all my data, all my settings. I hear you Android folk just stole that one off iOS.

iOS is more secure, apps are sandboxed from eachother.

There's a global common interface for music which I like, I use both Spotify and SoundCloud. If I'm playing music in SoundCloud and want to listen to something in Spotify, I just hit play in Spotify and SoundCloud automatically pauses.

I could go on.

Quote: "Android doesn't suck and neither does Windows. I love them both "

Windows absolutely does suck as an OS! We're just so familiar with it and rely so much on it, when both Linux and OSX are far superior.
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Posted: 3rd Jan 2015 18:15 Edited at: 3rd Jan 2015 18:25
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Quote: "EDIT: Except Windows 8, that does suck!"


8 perhaps, 8.1 however...

You will be amazed at how many of my clients have come over to 8.1 after I showed them everything... And they asked me to, so don't say you probably annoyed them enough or some stupid thing like that... All my clients are above ordinary and professional... [The Vast majority of them come from wealthy families]

Yes it was 100% over the last year...

And no lol I did not make any money from it either.......

It was that or they paid me a lot of money to come back and fix simple issues they were having in Windows Vista/7 and weirdly OSX... the Mac users side loaded 8.1 and uhh... never touched OSX since I even ask them to use OSX they refuse



Practically all my clients are on Windows 8.1 now makes my life easier... everything just works so I don't need to be called out as much YAY!

EDIT

Regarding iOS-Mac/Android/Blackberry... screw BB it is dead anyway.../WP

For me it is WP, works across my devices, enough said...

BB is dead and has the stupidest settings system in history, Period.

Android is pathetic, I do not care what you say, I used to vouch for it and had every flagship device mentionable until SGSII, so no I do know what I am talking about.

iOS-Mac... I like it, just not the settings... but it has been improving over the years... Mac system settings....... needs some work, it's only redeeming feature is also its worst feature... the Internet System Restore... Love it... so long as you have a stable high speed connection, not ideal when restoring a clients system on a slow connection, the failure? they dropped CD support...

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The only reason I've stuck with Android is because of all the apps I purchased on my first phone.

However, I more than likely will make an iPhone my next phone. I've enjoyed using Mac OS X and I love testing the iPhones they have on display at stores, everything is so smooth and runs great because it's all one unified platform and the developers don't have to worry about different phones with thousands of different configurations. I've tried developing for Android and it's just such a pain having to worry about different processors and such.

The only reason I didn't go with an iPhone last time was because I just wasn't sure if I really wanted to do that. Now I do. Although Android Lollipop does look like it improves Android ten-fold, but I still think iOS is probably better suited to me.


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Quote: "Just looked at your edit history because I was curious (don't worry, I never repeat anything from edit histories as it would be totally unfair to the editor - they edited their post for a reason, after all), and I have to say, you're very diplomatic! Instead of leaving a potentially offensive post, you edited immediately after posting. You're far, far more restrained than I! I would've just left the post there."
Haha! Never in a million years would I have guessed that my self restraint would be noticed and praised. As you may imagine, I still agree with what I wrote in that post, but my years of experience on this forum (and two slaps and a ban and probably several warnings) have taught me that debating, especially with smart alec posts, never leads to anything good. And to go back to the first thing I quoted, "Can't we all just get along?" And you, I praise you for not being offended by my edit history there, considering it was a smart post aimed at you. I wager a lot of mods would have had problem with that.

And hey, now I know how to send secret messages to the mods... (this post has one)

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[WARNING ADULT HUMOUR]



I think MrHandy might like it a lot

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Well played sir. I see you like to live dangerously.

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Only when I make it clear that I am joking.

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Quote: "Simply not true."


My mistake. All I know is that every video we have plays perfectly on Android but only a very few of them work on iOS.

Quote: "From the lock screen: Swipe up, hit the calculator button."


I... think you have no idea what a floating calculator is. That's just a shortcut to the calculator. A floating calculator is drawn over the top of other apps, so you can, for example, have Chrome open and type in calculations at the same time. Extremely useful.

Quote: "One of these fancy customisation options an iPhone has no need for, and doesn't really care about."


Actually it's not a "fancy customisation". It's just a simple practicality. The point of a screen filter is to make the screen even darker than the minimum brightness. Why is that not something an iPhone wouldn't need? It's not like iPhone screens go any darker than most Android screens.

Quote: "It's possible if you jailbreak the system. (No different from 'rooting' android if you ask me.)"


Oooook, if you're going to say jailbreaking is as good as rooting, you clearly have NO IDEA what you're talking about! Believe me. I did have half a spiel about why you were wrong about that, but I couldn't even be bothered finishing it. Suffice to say the inability to update the OS without losing jailbreak makes Android's root far superior.

Quote: "Anyway, things that an iPhone can do that Android can't? iMessage. It's completely superior. Delivery and read notifications on every iPhone."


Not sure why you put emphasis on "every". Android default Messaging app has delivery and read notifications as well.

Quote: "Don't argue back with some app like What'sApp because it's not installed by default and it is absolutely optional."


Don't worry, I'm making a point not to make arguments based on optional apps (except where it makes sense, such as with floating calculators).

Quote: "See that's the problem, it's not about features. You can give my mug a watch and a timer, you can give it a fancy laser pointer and I still only want to drink tea out of it."


My sentence was badly worded.

Quote: "iMessage and the iPhone can sync with my macbook to so I can send messages and call anybody, facetime(well, that one is iphone only) anybody from my MacBook."


I guess that's an advantage (built-in versions of mobile apps with your desktop OS), but personally I dislike the idea and find it to be rather unnecessary.

Quote: "iCloud and backups. If I make a back up of my phone, and my phone is completely destroyed, I can buy a new iPhone, restore my backup, and it's like I'm using the same phone. All my apps, all my data, all my settings."


So can Android. How is this an advantage of iOS?

Quote: "I hear you Android folk just stole that one off iOS."


And Apple didn't steal any Android ideas? Really? iOS' current notifications system only exists because Android did it first. And what about 3rd-party keyboards? Widgets? NFC (which is still far more limited than on Android)? Cross-app communication? Battery stats? And iOS is still lacking things like wireless charging, multi-user support, selectable default apps, and the ability to install apps from places other than the official app store.

Quote: "iOS is more secure, apps are sandboxed from eachother."


First: Perhaps iOS is more secure, although with iOS 8 apps can now communicate with each other. Second: Android apps are also sandboxed. The only reason iOS may be more secure is because Apple so tightly controls what users are allowed to do with their phones (Apple knows best, after all /sarcasm).

Quote: "There's a global common interface for music which I like, I use both Spotify and SoundCloud. If I'm playing music in SoundCloud and want to listen to something in Spotify, I just hit play in Spotify and SoundCloud automatically pauses."


Android also has that ability, but devs aren't forced to use it. Sure, iOS is probably more convenient in this respect, but imagine how frustrating it would be if you wanted to play both songs at once.

Quote: "I could go on."


Please do. You points so far have not been very convincing. In fact, with each reply I make I remember more and more why iOS is a terrible OS.

Quote: "Windows absolutely does suck as an OS! We're just so familiar with it and rely so much on it, when both Linux and OSX are far superior."


HOW are Linux and OSX superior?? Please elaborate on this bold claim!

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Aah. I haven't had such a good Android-vs-iOS debate/argument in ages!

Quote: "8 perhaps, 8.1 however..."


Nope. Just... nope.

Quote: "Android is pathetic"


Android is extremely not pathetic. It's a brilliant OS.

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lol

Quote: "As you may imagine, I still agree with what I wrote in that post, but my years of experience on this forum (and two slaps and a ban and probably several warnings) have taught me that debating, especially with smart alec posts, never leads to anything good."


Haha yeah

Quote: "And you, I praise you for not being offended by my edit history there, considering it was a smart post aimed at you. I wager a lot of mods would have had problem with that."


lol... Honestly? I had no clue what you were talking about I just went back and looked again, and still don't get what you're saying But I wouldn't worry if I were you, you'd have a really hard time offending me

Quote: "And hey, now I know how to send secret messages to the mods... (this post has one)"


lol (and also lol about the contents) Just as well you said the message was there, I wasn't going to look at the edit history for that post

Tea time! Hopefully it'll be something nice

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One thing that I know both Linux and OSX share is the lack of decades of enterprise compatibility cruft that's seeped into the OS.

I can speak to Linux in particular, not so much OSX.

Linux has an open-source ecosystem that starts at the kernel level and permeates through to the user applications. As such, you can review the source to any given component at any given time if you want.

Linux supports innovative and forward-thinking filesystems(BTRFS, ZFS, etc).

Developer tools in Linux are leagues better than on Windows for non-Microsoft languages/toolkits.

Linux isn't as resource heavy and has much more customization options for users compared to Windows. You can choose to use a tiling window manager or a traditional desktop or even choose to stay entirely inside of a terminal if that's your gig.

Linux supplies security-based utilities by default whereas Windows does not. Windows doesn't even have a first-party reference implementation for SSH.

Windows requires too much thought on the part of the user to be secure. Its method of installing applications is the bane of system administrators everywhere, and is a security nightmare at best. UAC is worse than useless unless on the strictest setting which is just as intrusive as Linux's password prompts. A/V in some form is almost mandatory.

Most of my gripes are security-based, and though Microsoft has made some progress, Windows is still quite insecure compared to Linux. And it's just recently that Windows got anywhere near as stable as a correctly maintained/configured Linux box, and that was only because Microsoft pushed the hardware drivers into user-space. That allows them to crash without taking the entire kernel along with(BSOD).

All-in-all, I prefer Linux and would switch to Linux in a heartbeat if virtualization software could properly utilize GPU resources for gaming and graphics drivers on Linux continue to improve. I can't wait to stop giving Microsoft my money for poorly thought out technical and design decisions.

Though I must say that Windows 8.1 isn't too bad when customized properly(AKA not using any Metro apps). The speed boost compared to Win7 is noticeable.

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Google hangouts on android does the exact same thing except it works on non apple systems aswell. On your phone you use the app and on other devices you can just use your browser to get messages. It's not as widley adopted and im not sure if third party android versions (samsung, HTC etc.) has it preinstalled. But the idea is the same. I suppose that's the issue with android, there are so many diffirent versions around making it really hard to know what is installed where. If someone has an iphone, you know that you can contact them anywere using imessage. With the downside of being restricted to the apple world

Quote: "It's possible if you jailbreak the system. (No different from 'rooting' android if you ask me.)"


As clonex said, jailbreaking and rooting don't do the same thing at all. Jailbreaking basically gives an iOS the features of an unrooted android. You make it possible to install third party apps and customise things a bit more. Rooting an android phone is a whole diffirent thing however. By default android, just like OSX and linux has a "/home" where user files are installed folder and a "root" directory where system files are installed. On an unrooted device, you can do anything you want in the /home/ dir but you don't have access to anything outside it. Rooting the device allows you to acces to the root directory and change files in there as you please. This allows you to for example, change the DPi on your OS to make more things fit on the screen or to install a completley diffirent android version alltogether.

Finally, rooting is "built into" android and most manufacturers don't do anything to stop you from doing it. Most void your warranty if you do it but some don't even go that far. Jailbreaking is exploiting a security hole in the OS to allow you to install some custom things which apple don't allow. With every new version they try to restrict it but somehow people just manage to find more holes to use.

Quote: "I hear you Android folk just stole that one off iOS"


iOS has stole features from Android and Android from iOS, noone would benefit if everyone had to reinvent every little UI feature and still avoid not using someone elses.

I can defentivley see why people prefer iOS over android, lots of things work better out of the box but I personally love to mess around with my devices which is why I prefer android. Performance is something I havn't seen you mentioned but is my main gripe with android. Up until the 2 latest android versions performance was TERRIBLE, they kept lagging and stuttering even on pretty modern hardware but that's being improved.

Personally I wouldn't mind moving away from android if there was a decent alternative that was more open than android. For me, android is like windows was a while back, I use it because everyone else does and the only viable alternative is iOS (mac) which im not interested in. When the linux of phones comes around, I will probably end up switching to that.

Quote: "HOW are Linux and OSX superior?? Please elaborate on this bold claim!"


Dar13 mentioned some things but most of those are pretty broad and don't really apply for every day usage and I don't think most people will switch to linux simply because it's open source, as nice as that is you don't want to give up 50% of all programs for just that.

Personally I got really tired of microsofts inconsistent security, not because I got a ton of viruses but because it considered my legitimate programs as threats. There have been sevral ocations where windows has blocked programs from running or saving files without any reason. The worst of this happned for me twice, once with AppGameKit, once with a game that I kickstarted. Both were downloaded and extracted from .zip files, just as I had done sevral times before with other programs. They started running fine and I didn't notice any problems until I tried to load the files I had saved from them. The files simply wern't there, my program in AppGameKit just wouldn't compile and the game I had played for 2 hours had reset even though I had saved sevral times. After searching around for a while, I found that windows had blocked these 2 specific .exe files from writing files without telling me or the programs. After trying to find the issue for a few hours I found a checkbox in the properties window of the programs saying something like "block this program from writing files". I see the point of it, a program downloaded from the internet could cause some harm but the execution is just horrible. It didn't tell me about it and it didn't do it for all files, for some unknown reason it decided that I wasn't allowed to run the programs I wanted. I have had similar experiences before but none that stand out like this one.

On linux, programs that you download are always allowed to run and scripts that you donwnload are never allowed to run. To fix that you can do "chmod +x script.sh" and it allows it to run, or right click the file and select "allow execution as a program". If you don't it specificaly tells you that the script isn't marked as executable. Once you run it the program can do whatever it wants to files owned by the user running it which usualy means that it can do anything in the /home/user/ directory, it does not have write access to most other files and no read access to some other. That means that a user who clicks on the wrong download button can only harm themselves at worst, other users are safe from their stupid programs. If you do want to give a program access to all the files on the computer, you simply run it as superuser and it can start messing with those files. It's still annoying occationally but atleast it's consistent.

Another huge benefit of linux is the way software is handled. Almost all software is downloaded from official or unofficial repositories and all software that is installed is kept track of. When you download a game on windows, it has to include a ton of .dll files to work propperly because the game depends on lots of diffirent libraries. On linux all those lib (similar to .dll) files are installed in a central directory where all programs can use it. If a program you are trying to install depends on an openGL library and a sound library, it tells the package manager about that and the package manager makes sure those libraries are installed. If the sound lib isn't installed the package manager installs it automatically and future programs that also need it can use the same copy. This means that a programs are a lot smaller than on windows which should be great for those of you who have limited internet connections. My /usr/ folder which is where programs are installed is using 9.3GB of storage. That folder is the same thing as the windows C:/windows and C:/program files folders. Last time I used windows, C:/Windows/ used 27 GB alone not counting program files. The only diffirence here is that steam games are not installed in /usr/

Another huge feature that package managers provide is centralised updates to all the software that they install. When I do "sudo pacman -Syu" or "sudo apt-get update & apt-get grade" on depian, it will find all avalible updates to all installed packages and update them at once. No more popups saying java or adobe flash player is outdated and no annoying bloatware toolbars. This will obviously not work for programs not installed by the package manager but 95% of all software is installed by it so that's not really an issue.

Finally, customisation is so much better on linux than on windows. There are window/desktop managers that behave more or less like windows, a desktop with icons and windows that can be moved around as you please. Those can be changed to look just the way you want them. If you don't want it to behave like windows, you can install other desktop managers, like a tiling DM. Instead of having windows float around the screen, a tiling desktop manager splits windows into tiles which can be moved around. When I open one program it takes up the whole workspace, if I open another, they get half the workspace each and so on. This subreddit is a great example of how much can be customised: http://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn.

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Just pointing out, Palm and Windows Mobile were on the handheld smart devices market before everyone else...

So if Anything, iOS and Android owe them a lot...

[I am sure there are a couple that I missed out... but just wanted to point out to the young ones here that there was a world before iOS and Android]

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100% untrue. A) On its strictest setting, UAC is totally secure. B) It is so not as intrusive as a password prompt, if only because you don't have to type a password!

Quote: "Jailbreaking basically gives an iOS the features of an unrooted android."


So true!!

Quote: "Dar13 mentioned some things but most of those are pretty broad and don't really apply for every day usage"


I agree with that. Your subsequent points are much more applicable, although I still don't find any of them compelling. I've always accepted that Linux was more lightweight, but it doesn't have much else going for it, honestly. And you know what? I've just realised for the first time what it's like to be on the iOS side of things, where Linux is Android and Windows is iOS None of your points make me want to switch to Linux, because A) I've never had any issues with Windows, B) I like the way just about everything in Windows works, and C) everything just works, unlike in Linux where I encountered many annoying and fiddly bugs and issues. Linux just annoys me repeatedly when I use it. Windows' interface is just so much more fluid and usable than Linux's; using Linux, no matter which version, always makes me feel like I'm going back in time to the 90's.

Quote: "Just pointing out, Palm and Windows Mobile were on the handheld smart devices market before everyone else..."


Excellent point!


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I cannot fathom why people see UAC as a pain?

Reminds me of that guy that wrote GoT, sais [Said/Says in one word lol] he prefers something like a typewriter that does not have autocorrect on so it does not correct what he writes.......

Why have people not heard of something called SETTINGS?

Beats me...

EDIT

Before some smart aleck comes and says because once you have a typewriter you never need to set anything...

Wrong...

The Three + hours taken to Procure the Typewriter let alone the hours spent working to earn the money for it... do not add up to the 5-10 seconds between systems through your life, unchecking a checkbox that says, "Autocorrect On"

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I never liked Harry Potter, but from what I understand GoT was lost out to Harry Potter, and that is the one reason why I like Harry Potter lol

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Because they use software that isn't Vista/7/8/10 compliant and so triggers prompts all the time. And they don't understand file security so they don't know how to avoid it and install programs to the correct location.
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You do realise the vast majority of people complaining about UAC are people who don't pay for software right?

Also if you [As in Them] are using old software, seriously, you need to move on

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I say the former sentence because all my Non-Compliant software, never have UAC triggers... they just work... albeit on Windows 7 this was slightly irritating, but you get used to pressing left and Return Key...

But Linux was so irritating with PASSWORD ONLY, gosh that was stupendous...

EDIT

Speaking of passwords, I have not used a password to log into my PC for a year now HUZZAH! my baby turned 1 this week yay!

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What I don't like about it is that it makes other things break if I remember correctly. Sometimes fullscreen games would mimize and youtube videos stop playing video but the audio continues. I ended up disabeling it as soon as I got a new computer because I didn't feel like I needed the "protection".

Quote: "Also if you [As in Them] are using old software, seriously, you need to move on "


That is actually a major advantage of linux, old software works really well without any weird quirks. A lot of times, games from before vista work out of the box in wine while you have to change a bunch of stuff to get them to run on newer windows versions.

Another thing is fullscreen games. On the desktop manager im using, I have had no issues with games not goign back to fullscreen or anything which I had a lot of problems with on windows. Sometimes you alt-tab out and the game breaks or goes to a black screen for a few seconds. I suppose it might be because I run the games in a window without borders though.

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What you described there is an Application Issue not an OS issue...

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Depending on what part of what I said you mean, that might be the case but i'd say it's an OS issue aswell.

Old software breaking is, in my opinion an OS issue, atleast since linux shows that it can be solved. A lot of things in windows seem to be tacked on afterwards with no real thought about how old software will handle it. UAC is one of them where software designed before it breaks unless you do specific things. I had a friend who was unable to run battlefield 2142 for 6 months when he upgraded to vista because UAC decided to block punkbuster from doing its thing. Sure, a patch could have been released for the game but a well designed OS wouldn't have had the problem in the first place.

Linux was designed from start with the idea that OS files and programs are separated (root) from user files /home/ which is something microsoft have added to windows aswell but they havn't got the message across. Old software breaks, new software doesn't follow the standard.

The fullscreen issue might be a software problem but more games behave well in fullscreen on linux than on windows which points to some issues with windows.

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Posted: 4th Jan 2015 14:20 Edited at: 4th Jan 2015 14:23
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On the Linux vs. Windows debate...

Not entirely sure if this is Linux as a whole or elements used within it such as UI things...

Linux is only here thanks to Microsoft... Look up the patents that Linux uses and see that MS are allowing it

Heck MS have an odd thing with financing its competitors, they bailed out Apple LOL Apple OWES MS its present state...

But no lets look at the shiny iPod...

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Might be worth pointing out I couldn't care less about this debate, but the forum is so dead, anything to help procrastinate while building up the effort to work on my NGCM project will do...

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Microsoft hates Linux with a passion. It's currently one of the largest threats to Microsoft, so I find it very hard to believe Microsoft "is allowing it", if such a thing can even be said. That sounds like Microsoft is ruling the world and has the ability to block any software they don't agree with.

I'm not aware of any patents, I know the kernel is licensed under GPLv2 which basically says "you can use, modify and even sell the source code. However, any modifications you make need to be contributed back." All GNU software shipped with it is also licensed under either GPLv2/GPLv3.

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http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/patents/default.aspx

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-profits-from-linux-patent-fud/

Two useful links for you to spend some procrastination time on

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Simple search terms

http://www.bing.com/search?q=patents+used+in+linux+owned+by+Microsoft&qs=n&form=QBLH&pq=patents+used+in+linux+owned+by+microsoft&sc=0-13&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=7bca05fa1bb44dd4a02e8293bbd7aef9

patents used in linux owned by Microsoft

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On the two sides, I can understand a bunch of hippies [Majority of Linux devs were as far as I know, including people at Atari lol] claiming something is free...

On the other side, I can understand a company wanting to secure its position...

On the side of it all, there are companies making money off linux being free...

I do not say MS is not evil, as any form of leadership must make brash choices at some point...

EDIT

The simple fact that the FUD as some hippies put it, has been going on for over a decade if it has been that long, means that these Patents are real, and not a FUD at all, a simple claim against the Patents at a high court would put MS in a hot mess... costing them billions in court rulings... FUD Me thinks not...

EDIT

I think I am bored as I am waiting to go out and waiting on someone else...

Anyway I would love to see this FUD come to fruition AFTER I move away from Web Development and reliance on tools which are solely on Windows only...

But to be honest... even if it did happen, MS is too big to kill

EDIT

On a more topical note...

The PC Thread will hit a million views this year

945,835 and up...

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Quote: "But to be honest... even if it did happen, MS is too big to kill"

The United States government and the EU would beg to differ. (Both have previously reined in Microsoft when trust-like behavior has been seen).

And the very fact that Microsoft hasn't tried to enforce their patents on a company such as Red Hat means that they know they don't have a case for their patent licensing. They're just being bullies to these smaller companies for kicks and giggles.

Quote: "You do realise the vast majority of people complaining about UAC are people who don't pay for software right?"

No I don't. Do you happen to have a source, or do you just say these things and expect us to believe you?

Quote: " 100% untrue. A) On its strictest setting, UAC is totally secure. B) It is so not as intrusive as a password prompt, if only because you don't have to type a password!"

Quote: "UAC is worse than useless unless on the strictest setting"


And at least a password prompt verifies that it's indeed you(the user) instead of a monkey that has access to your mouse.

Quote: "C) everything just works, unlike in Linux where I encountered many annoying and fiddly bugs and issues."

If I remember correctly, you went straight to using an experimental filesystem and then ran into some stability issues with it. You couldn't even attempt to do what you did on Windows. And I don't suppose you reported any of those bugs to their respective projects? (On a side note, if you remember any of those issues I'd be more than happy to try to reproduce and report them for you )

An aside: I'm not particularly trying to proselytize Linux here, but I do believe that Linux is a better OS purely on its technical merits for me. Of course, opinions are subjective so I accept that some people prefer Windows.

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Quote: "Might be worth pointing out I couldn't care less about this debate, but the forum is so dead, anything to help procrastinate while building up the effort to work on my NGCM project will do..."


How young are you?

Mind you my clutch on MS is that it has Options for Applications that I am familiar with... plain and simple, Apple......... Linux, I prefer spending time working, not figuring how to GCC this and Unpack that when something does not work or a feature is missing... if that rocks your boat, nobody is stopping you ^^

As to whether which OS is better in terms of quality and usability...

I look at the shear usage numbers...

Enough said...

But regarding Build Stability, I will leave that to the hipsters

[Do you even know what brought about Linux?]

Again I am not serious in this debate, just passing time, so just disregard whatever I say, unless you want to pass some time

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Posted: 4th Jan 2015 16:22 Edited at: 4th Jan 2015 16:23
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That link doesn't lead to anything showing patents being used on Linux owned by Microsoft. In fact, it even proves the opposite, the first result is "Microsoft profits from Linux patent FUD | ZDNet".

I'm not sure what you're talking about or what your point is.

If Microsoft had the power to shut down Linux then they would have done it decades ago.

Quote: "On the two sides, I can understand a bunch of hippies [Majority of Linux devs were as far as I know, including people at Atari lol] claiming something is free..."


Claiming something is free? It is free.

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