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bitJericho
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This may help, Obese

http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=31620

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Posted: 8th Oct 2010 13:40 Edited at: 8th Oct 2010 13:41
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After about an hour of work, my giant pac-man-ish arcade cabinet is complete. Thought I'd post a pic of it just in case some idiot decides he wants to make people's gaming experience crappy.



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Ooooops, it looks like me and Lazerus accidentally made your pyramid look insignificant VanB....

In other words, can we get a backup?, a lot of work has gone on


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Sid Sinister
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I'm curious as to Notch's reason for doing Minecraft is Java... it sounds like it's the language he's most comfortable in, but for something like Minecraft, I would go something faster with a better library. I'm wondering if I should start a remake of this game using XNA and see if I can pitch it to him... anyone interested?

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Posted: 8th Oct 2010 21:52 Edited at: 8th Oct 2010 21:53
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Quote: "I'm curious as to Notch's reason for doing Minecraft is Java... it sounds like it's the language he's most comfortable in, but for something like Minecraft, I would go something faster with a better library. I'm wondering if I should start a remake of this game using XNA and see if I can pitch it to him... anyone interested?"


Why would you use XNA for something like this? And why isn't Java good enough?

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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 8th Oct 2010 22:29
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Java has certainly come a long way over the years. Sun Microsystems believes that C++ will be a thing of the past and that Java will take over. It's best quality is that a program can be written for PC, Mac and Linux without any sort of code changes. It can also, as we see with Minecraft, be easily used to write a browser based game.

While Java has improved in both it's speed and 3D capability, it's still outmatched. C++ or C code compiles just as well on Mac. The issue is that Java still needs to get at the graphics hardware somehow, and especially with graphics code, the libraries will still probably be written in C anyway. Since most codebases abstract the low-level platform-specific stuff away anyways, the only real gain for Java is a virtual machine, which is also it's downside.

Java has improved it's speed to the point where it's not really an issue anymore. The math speed between Java and C++ is about the same. The problem is that Java is a freaking memory hog and that you can't get at the processor as easily.

I'm excited about Java's future, but for high end game development, it's just not there yet. It's good for cell phones, cross platform capability (where performance isn't critical), and it's ease of use compared to C++, but that's about it.

Why would I use XNA? The same reason Notch chose Java, familiarity. I don't have the experience to pull together my own directx/opengl library to do this game from scratch. C# has it's pro's/con's as well, but I believe it's capabilities outmatch that of Java's any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Not only that, but it can be simultaneously developed for PC, Xbox and Zune at the same time, and those are all very popular gaming platforms.

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Quik
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Posted: 8th Oct 2010 22:46
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Quote: "I'm curious as to Notch's reason for doing Minecraft is Java... it sounds like it's the language he's most comfortable in"


he said: it is less powerfull than C++ and more powerfull than flash (he has used both, and thats why he said it like that) but, he likes it the most =P


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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 8th Oct 2010 22:48 Edited at: 8th Oct 2010 22:51
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Ah, that makes sense. Still, it would be fun to remake =]

He already said that once Minecraft's popularity dies off, he'll be releasing the source code under some sort of public license. If I were to remake it for XNA, I would do the same as well of course (I would have to anyway seeing as it would be under the open source license).

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lazerus
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NEED A BACKUP NOWWWW.

And those who havnt been on, the white/silver work is mine


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The fact that Minecraft works on Mac and Linux is a reason it wasn't made with XNA in the first place, I guess.


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Neuro Fuzzy
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@ everyone asking for backups

don't you read posts on this forum?

Java is pretty much the best option for compatibility.

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lazerus
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Completly missed that

hourly backup ? sweet


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bitJericho
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Posted: 9th Oct 2010 05:28 Edited at: 9th Oct 2010 05:31
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yeah, for some reason it's failing on the morning hours (hours 0 through 9) though! I dunno why, here's the script I'm using:




And in cron:



Error log, (over and over)


Any solution to this one would be appreciated!

edit: maybe it's adding a space in there, I'll rap the path around in quotes and see what happens.

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Sasuke
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Hey guys, check out this Minecraft Let's Play vid with Transcribe Audio turned on (click on the two 'CC' in the video window, when it's red click on it again and select transcribe audio). The speech recognition hilariously messed up. I'll quote the begin section of what he said and what the transcribe audio came out with.

jx23:
"Hey there people, hows it going? jx here with episode 21 now of my Minecraft Lets Play. As a lot of you probably know, I had a bit of an issue with my game save and... well basically I didn't save and the game crashed. I did a video part 20 was asking you guys to vote on what you want to see. Options were a big water slide, erm... go digging in the mines, now found some better stuff, spawners, diamonds and gold and all that well I haven't found gold but I'm pretty close. And... er build a big green house beach house outside. The winner by about 2 thousands votes was the water slide. I did try and put a few of you off it cause I knew it might be a little boring to watch. I made it and thought ahh this wouldn't be good to watch. But I mean it had over 4 thousand votes and the next closest was going to be mining which was 2 and a half thousand roughtly. Er so, this is it. Lets do this. At least though I erm 'OMG, let me get out of this'. Although, I haven't got erm..."

Now the Transcribe Audio:
"and if he was carrying J seaweed episode twenty one alma mater profits right. as all of you for being our own of had been issued. now with what they've studied and will I think he's had been crushed ready to get caught. when he was also the was to vote what you want to see options will of the people will. slide hand. doug the in the mindset of that stuff for his guns and go to the north atlantic council to conferences. and have built a big green house speech has set aside. the we're not mine. a about two thousand votes was the worst life. but the tribe but if you do it because I mean what the little bit towards what you know. maybe before the full up from the catalyst, by I mean the end of four thousand votes in the senate, the next closest was cutting my name which was to Nepal thousands roughly, that's a the the the itself, police told allen. that's it, well I wouldn't call them..."

Believe me, watch it and laugh:
Minecraft Let's Play - Part 21 - The Votes are in

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WWIV Studios
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Its so weird when people talk about Seananners cause i actually play with him.

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MINECRAFT IS SICK!!!!!

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Libervurto
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@Sasuke
Have you watched X's adventures, they're way more entertaining.

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Melancholic
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Apparently our server is down


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Quote: "Have you watched X's adventures, they're way more entertaining."


Agreed

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Sasuke
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Quote: "Have you watched X's adventures, they're way more entertaining."


I agree to. But what makes that one video (the one I posted) entertaining is the Transcribed Audio. Without it then it's a bit boring, so make sure to watch it with Transcribed Audio on.

Side note:
Is my house on fire...!!!! Oh GOD!

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bitJericho
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Quote: "Apparently our server is down "


If it was down, it appears up now

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Sid Sinister
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Quote: "The fact that Minecraft works on Mac and Linux is a reason it wasn't made with XNA in the first place, I guess."


Unity would be an even better option, now that I think of it. It does web, mobile, pc, mac and consoles. With the amount of games he's sold so far, he could definitely get the Pro version and freelance some outside work. Heck, I'd be their would be people willing to help for free. I would.

Unity 3 just came out as well, you all should go check it out

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Unity looks pretty good but too complicated IMO. I'm a just stick with UDK for now.

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Quik
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Unity complicated? did i read right? XD
Unity is extremely simple
and you just "drag" your models, in the standard formath (max, maya, blender, cinema 3d aso) into the engine and it automaticly converts it into the right formath

^^


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Massive dome 1
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Someone has a fair bit of free time

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i'm pretty sure that was done with a map editor

New pics of the hell zone on http://notch.tumblr.com/

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Pure Awesome


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Neuro Fuzzy
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Ahhhh that video really really makes me wish minecraft survival multiplayer had more functionality!!!

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Quik
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Quote: "Ahhhh that video really really makes me wish minecraft survival multiplayer had more functionality!!"


think he is working on it^^ but i also think he is focusing more on a stable singelplayer at this stage


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I think multiplayer survival is on his list of priorities - hopefully we'll have something more solid for the halloween update.

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yes yes offcourse, i definitly hope he will have fixed the "I cant die, and i cant kill" thigns XD because, without that, it really is no fun :3


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Things that need fixing in multiplayer minecraft:

TNT: Only the person who sets it off can see and hear the effects at the moment.
Buckets: Water and Lava just disappear if you empty your bucket and do not flow.
Boats and Mine Carts: Other players can not see the boats/carts when another player is using them.
Fire: Fires do not work at all, nothing catches fire.
Damage: No one or no thing can be damaged (you can kill NPC's if you push them into lava or light them on fire)

I think those are the main things at the moment?

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I visited the unofficial TGC server for about 10 minutes to at least say I'd been there



I'm addicted to the Alpha now though...even though the NPCs still scare me at night...have the game set to Peaceful mode 90% of the time. I'm stock piling...and one day...I will kill mobs o.O

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Bwahaha, I just have to say that I dug a hole so deep that it went through the bottom of the map. Stupid me, I died.

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Quote: "Bwahaha, I just have to say that I dug a hole so deep that it went through the bottom of the map. Stupid me, I died."


thats a bug :3 normally you just find this "indestructable rock" at the bottom^^


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Yeah, got one of those holes in the mine under my house - found it useful for throwing stuff down that you don't want, like all those millions of rock blocks that you end up with when mining.

One cool thing to do is hack your inventory with INVEDIT, and give yourself some spawn blocks - then make an enclosed space for them, they spawn lots of pigs. Can never have enough pork chops! - I have a lava and water trap (using a ladder to stop the lava flow, so the water drags piggies into it then down a shaft. I just sit at the bottom collecting pork.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asImTDkPWKA

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Quote: "thats a bug :3 normally you just find this "indestructable rock" at the bottom^^"


For the Alpha, I've heard this isn't a bug but a feature. Being able to fall through the map and die, that is.

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Quote: "For the Alpha, I've heard this isn't a bug but a feature. Being able to fall through the map and die, that is."


Odd. i just see the indestructable rock xD


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Quote: "Odd. i just see the indestructable rock xD"
If you dig around enough, eventually there will be holes in the rock that go into the abyss...

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Has anyone notice my incredibly longest staircase on the TGC server?

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All my work is in silver and i did alot of the stiar cases around the place. The main one is the large castle one.



That kicks ass


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Personally, I kinda hope Notch goes a Dwarf Fortress route with the Hell dimension and the holes in the bedrock leading to the abyss.

Basically, Hell would literally exist underneath the deepest parts of the map, the majority of entrance ways being sealed off by bedrock. The occasional hole in the bedrock (which would now be made on purpose) would act as a sort of alternate route to the Hell world, instead of simply leading to an abyss. So you might be (un)lucky enough to find a hole in the bedrock, enter hell from that way, and find portals down there that lead to completely other parts of the continent you're on.

That would be really cool if he adds super strong monsters that live only in the Hell world. Normally, they wouldn't be able to use portals, so you'd be safe from them in the "real" world as they'd essentially be trapped in Hell.... But if you happened to break in to Hell from one your deep mines, well, then they wouldn't need a portal to escape and terrorize the surface world.
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Alright, why is the entire underground town under lava? Did it somehow get flooded? Is it on purpose or can we use a back-up to restore a time when it wasn't flooded, because that was one of my favorite places on the server.

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Quote: "Odd. i just see the indestructable rock"


That's obsidian, and it's not indestructible. Look here

The wiki is a great resource in general

Also...I've been working a bit on one of my alpha maps, most notably tonight on my own little island, that I will probably strip out the current building that's half built there, and replace after some actual planning. A lot of work is going into just the "island making" bit. I like it though.

Before:

After:


[Edit]
For anyone wanting to create isometric .png's from their minecraft maps, check out Cartograph - map your alpha. It has a lot of mapping features, and honestly, I use it just to keep track of where everything is at on the surface now. My map isn't that large, but I'm sure this will be an invaluable resource as I explore further from home

Also, a great list of a lot of guides, tutorials, and tools for Minecraft. Things include tutorials for structures, tools to edit the map outside of the game, tools to edit your inventory, mob spawns, world chest locations and contents, and a lot more.

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Quote: "That's obsidian, and it's not indestructible."


I believe he means adminium.
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Quote: "Alright, why is the entire underground town under lava? Did it somehow get flooded? Is it on purpose or can we use a back-up to restore a time when it wasn't flooded, because that was one of my favorite places on the server."


Eh? I don't see any problems... Are you talking about the classic server?

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it is acually called Bedrock, i think

http://www.minecraftwiki.net/images/3/32/Template1.png

to the right :3


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Thought i should contribute, my first ever 8bit drawing:



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Quik, I love the how the Air block is not visible in that template.

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