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I haven't recieved anything , could you send it again?



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Quote: "2. Copy the gui2_help folder into your %dbpro%\Help folder (the whole folder, not just the contents)"


Yes. That is correct. The gui2_help folder is contained inside the download archive.

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Is there any chance of increasing it a little?
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Hmm, 5 minutes might be a bit on the brief side, if you find that is is too short I'll increase it to 10 or 15.

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thnank you , tried it out, that rainbow program is kinda buggy
why isn't this beta public if there is a 5 min. limit?

I can't seem to get the to get the help viewer to work, the icons in the tree view don't show up transparent and nothing happes when I click on 'm , any idea what the problem is?



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Posted: 26th May 2004 19:23 Edited at: 26th May 2004 19:25
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Quote: "tried it out, that rainbow program is kinda buggy"


If you find any bugs, please report them (details contained in the email I sent you).

Quote: "I can't seem to get the to get the help viewer to work, the icons in the tree view don't show up transparent and nothing happes when I click on 'm , any idea what the problem is?"


Icon transparency is disabled at the moment while I re-implement it in a nicer way. Make sure that the gui.dba constants file is included in the project when you compile it. (put something like message str$(MOUSE_CLICK) at the top of your code and if "0" appears in the message box then the consants file is not included).

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Posted: 26th May 2004 20:49 Edited at: 26th May 2004 20:50
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ow come on robert, a 5min timelimit in the help viewer? , could you put a compiled version on your site which has no timelimit?



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Sorry for the inconvenience guys.

I've changed the DLL now and set the time limit to 20 minutes.

Redownload it from the same URL (see the email I sent you for details).
You'll need to recompile Rainbow and the other examples (including the Help Viewer) to see the changes.

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Hi Rob,

Could you send me v.2 BGUI for beta testing - could put it through its paces in W98SE...

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Thanks Rob, you're the best

I'm missing the fallowing commands in BGUI v2:
SET WINDOW STYLE GadgetID,Style
SET WINDOW ALPHA GadgetID,Alpha
Is there a reason for this? or did you forget 'm? or is there an other way to do it?



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SET WINDOW STYLE is no longer implemented in BlueGUI v2 (Delete and recreate the window if you need a different style).

SET WINDOW ALPHA's equivilent has not yet been implemented, its more a gimmick than a serious feature so its lower down my priorities list.

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I changed the DBP window into a gadget. I don't think it's possible to recreate the DBP window, if it is then please tell me how



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Posted: 26th May 2004 23:25 Edited at: 26th May 2004 23:41
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It's one nice gimmick. I'm glad it's on the list. There's nothing like Alphad textareas over graphics for a slick appearance.

Hmm. Doesn't look like font commands for edits are implemented yet?
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Is there anyway to make 3d panels, I can only make flat ones.

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@the_winch, I assume you use BGUI v2.

Quote: "setPanelBorderStyle handle panelGadget, int borderStyle

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Sets the style of the border which surrounds a panel gadget. The codes for the different kinds of border can be found in the constants file. They are:


BORDER_NONE - No border around the gadget.
BORDER_FLAT - Single line black border
BORDER_3D - Raised 3D border
BORDER_SUNKEN - Sunken 3D border"




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Quote: "I changed the DBP window into a gadget. I don't think it's possible to recreate the DBP window, if it is then please tell me how"


found a solution but I'd like to change the DBP window itself:



the only problem is that when you activate the window the actuall DBP window is not active, and when you click the DBP window the 'bla' window is inactive. why that is a problem, well when you have multiple windows you would be confused by which window is actually selected.



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Quote: "Hmm. Doesn't look like font commands for edits are implemented yet"


Nope, that's still to come.

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Thanks for posting the menu plugin fix.

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Hey Rob,
I sent you an email, I never got the beta link.

Also is there a time limit for paid/regestered users?

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Quote: "Also is there a time limit for paid/regestered users?"


20 minutes in the beta you have. Obviously I will remove the time limit when I release the final version.

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Rob, I haven't recieved the download link? kangaroo2@quikly.com please

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@Rob, did you look at my posts?



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Yes:

Quote: "the only problem is that when you activate the window the actuall DBP window is not active, and when you click the DBP window the 'bla' window is inactive. why that is a problem, well when you have multiple windows you would be confused by which window is actually selected."


Not sure I follow this, but when I run the code, when I click the DBPro window the main window is deactivated and vice versa. This is normal Windows behaviour.

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I know, that's why I need to be able to change the window style of a gadget as I cannot recreate the DBP window.



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SET WINDOW LAYOUT should be used.

The DBP window will most likely behave incorrectly if I do it externally in my plugin.

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Quote: "SET WINDOW LAYOUT should be used."


yeah but you did not include it in BGUI v2.

Quote: "The DBP window will most likely behave incorrectly if I do it externally in my plugin."


what do you mean?



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Quote: "yeah but you did not include it in BGUI v2."


What I mean is that the DBPro window seems to behave in very odd ways for some reason. If you attempt to position or resize it using the Windows API MoveWindow command (which is what resizeGadget and positionGadget do), it doesn't work properly.

You need to use the DBPro commands to manipulate some aspects of the DBPro window.

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Quote: "If you attempt to position or resize it using the Windows API MoveWindow command (which is what resizeGadget and positionGadget do), it doesn't work properly."


why not? works fine here



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Hi Rob

GUI2 is looking good. I do have a request though. Would there be any chance of implementing a leftRight gadget? It would be very similar to your upDown gadget but ... well, you know

It could come in handy for adjusting co-ordinates. upDown for the Y axis and leftRight for the X axis. You can save the inOut gadget for the Z axis until GUI 3D LOL

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@RobK,

Downloaded BGUI2 beta - mostly excellent on W98SE - see bug reports.

1) Commands in general - you're right the Version2 syntax is much better.

2) Font commands, Font Selector commands... appreciate you're in the process of adding as you go - have I missed them or are they in the pipeline? How many gadgets will be able to have different fonts - any gadgets precluded?

3) Menu commands - much better in BGUIv2 the BlueMenus... can you load in the subitems in any order etc... with Blue Menus if you didnt set up the menu system in a particular order it crashed... what about BGUIv2?

Suggestions - just some fanciful ideas:-

4) you know that horizontal box slowly being filled blue (sometime with the percentage text in the middle) which you get when you're loading something / installing - could you do a gadget like that?

5) tooltip yellow box outlined black with black text - when you hover the mouse over a toolbar icon or other gadget for so long? is that a possible gadget?

6) draggable buttons or gadgets?

7) what gadgets are still in development?

Should say though even as it stands, very fine...
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@ Rob,

Forgot also:-

8) Folder selection gadget -as with the older version; and

9) A gadget with two separate windows and the select, select all, unselect, unselect all etc... both windows onto the files/folders - in other words allowing selection of files / items from one window to be passed to a list on the other - useful for batch file handling etc?

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2) They are in the pipeline, current commands are createFont, deleteFont, applyFont. All gadgets can have fonts applied.

3) There are no restrictions in the order in which you load items

4) Progress bars are on my to-do list

5) Tooltips are on my to-do list

6) Not quite sure I follow, can you expand on that a bit

7) Tooltips and Progress bars

8) I don't think there will be a folders gadget, a "Browse For Folders" dialog is a possibility though

9) Surely you could just use two listviews or two listboxes for this? (admittedly I would need to add the ability to select more than one file at once first).

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@ Rob,

2) thought fonts were on the way - the buttons and some other gadgets with v1 only seemed to display the one font (may be a W98SE thing) - take it no longer a prob with v2? what about a Font Dialog or Font Select command like the Color Dialog?

3) thank god! I was still plodding away at my menu designer... stuff that.

4) excellent - would be great if you could input the range (1-200 or maybe even real values)?

5) they'd be even more welcome with v2 given the toolbar...

6) click on a button, hold down mousekey, drag and it goes semi-transparent and then relocate - gadget stores new positional data...?

8) Folder Select / Folder Dialog?

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Quote: "5) they'd be even more welcome with v2 given the toolbar..."


Toolbar tooltips are already in, they are an optional parameter for the addToolbarButton command.

Have a look at the Rainbow source code, specifically the createToolbox function.

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@ Rob,

Excellent - will check it out...
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Upgraded the bug report system.

- If you enter an email address you will be sent a notification when someone replies to your reports
- Reply counts now shown next to thread
- "Show Confirmed Bugs" also shows "Accepted" feature requests
- Various error handling changes
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Would it be possible to make each bug fixed version available to the beta testers so that we don't keep finding bugs that others have already reported?

At the moment it isn't too much of a problem but as the bug list grows it will become increasingly difficult to read through it do try to determine if the bug has been previously reported or not.

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Quote: "Would it be possible to make each bug fixed version available to the beta testers so that we don't keep finding bugs that others have already reported?"


There is a difference between "Reported" and "Fixed"

I have AS exams shortly, so I can't spend much time fixing bugs (not until Tuesday 15th June)

I have written a few fixes though and I will try to upload them soon.

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BTW. Is anyone on the beta test team here running Win2K, if so could I email you a new version of the DLL to test a fix for the toolbar bug, as that it probably the most critical bug at the moment.

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Quote: "There is a difference between "Reported" and "Fixed""


And there is a difference between "fixed on your system" and "available for download".

I have downloaded BlueGUI2 again but there seems to be no difference. The bugs that claim to be fixed don't appear to be fixed in the downloadable version.

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Quote: "And there is a difference between "fixed on your system" and "available for download".

I have downloaded BlueGUI2 again but there seems to be no difference. The bugs that claim to be fixed don't appear to be fixed in the downloadable version."


The "Fixed" status is for my reference. However, I will add a "Published Fix" status or something like that, but as I said, I have a limited amount of free time at the moment.

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I appreciate that your time is limited, so is mine but I am trying to help you with your beta testing and yet, when I find a bug I then have to spend several minutes going to your bug reporting site and reading through the list to see if what I have found has already been reported.

What I am saying is - It would make our (beta testers) job easier to help you if you could periodically make a later version available for download.

It doesn't have to be every time you fix something - just every now and then when you have time.

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Fair enough, I'll publish an update tommorrow.

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Is there a need for some more interogatory commands with the menus commands - and is visible/invisible still appropriate for the menu items/sub items?

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Quote: "Is there a need for some more interogatory commands with the menus commands"


What commands were you thinking of specifically?

Quote: "and is visible/invisible still appropriate for the menu items/sub items?"


No. I suppose the equivilent would be removing and re-inserting items in a certain place in the menu. An insertMenuItem command might be needed?

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Hey, for the tooltips will you be able to do a syntax kind of like...

SetGadgetTooltip gadgetHandle,string$

Or will it have a gadget type all of it's own? Also, could you have a carrage return code for the tooltips?

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I'm not sure yet.

As an aside, how are people finding the plugin & the Rainbow editor in general in terms of speed, stability, user friendliness etc?

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I don't like the Rainbow editor, I don't even use it
But I sure like the plugin, the handle system is great and everything is running very well. good job mate



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Quote: " I don't like the Rainbow editor, I don't even use it"


Any particular reason?

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