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FPSC Classic Product Chat / FPS Creator Version 1 Pricing Announcement

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Swhale aka The FPS Creator
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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 07:28
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yes, it has turned into one, i really could care less about the money, but, its the plain and simple point that we were given our word by a trustworthy company. i totally agree that its not their fault that exchange rates changed a bit, thats the problem, the solution shouldnt be to raise the rates so its equal, thats just like little kids, "HEY!...He got more ice cream then me!!!" jsut send us a free model pack or something that is a future upgrade


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Pulsar Coder
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I'd only like to see written in the license-agreement files of both, the download & boxed final versions of FPSC, that we users are able to develop any commercial products with FPSC and sell these products without having to pay any royalties to TGC now a/o never.

I repeat that is THE most important thing about all this discussion and, I don't know about you guys, but I would like to have a response from TGC about the inclusion of that "statement" in the license agreement ...
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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 07:40 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2005 07:44
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I've decided that my above post is nearly perfect. So I will qoute it every time you post something that is bad.

Quote: "There should be NO specailty because we were EA'rs, we agreed to be EA'rs and ONLY receive the software early. There should be NO specailty upgrade simply because of the small money difference, those upgrades cost MORE then your loss. No EA specailty's at all."


P.S. you would only get 2 free models in relationship to the money difference.

P.S.S. We can sell the products, I don't think you can change something like that after a product like V1 is solde, so there is no worrys unless Lee changes it before hand.

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Pulsar Coder
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Quote: "P.S.S. We can sell the products, I don't think you can change something like that after selling it, so there is no worrys unless Lee changes it before hand.
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well, it's not only about selling the products but also honoring the conditions stated -in this case, no-royalties ... having that in a written license agreement won't hurt anybody ...

... better safe than sorry ...
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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 07:52
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http://www.fpscreator.com/license.php

copy this page and store it some where.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 11:53
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This is slightly off subject now since all this thread is about is your money. Anyway:

Lee,
I am wondering what the point of actually getting the boxed version is. I know you can only access the downloadable one if you buy the boxed version, but since you said there is nothing missing from the boxed version, then wouldn't finally receiving the boxed version only be useful for a printed manual? Now, I know that there are people on dial-up or people who simply can't download a big file. But I still don't see why it's worth sending out a boxed version when you've already got V1.

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Steven
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Well,i'll be happy to pay the extra for p&p for the boxed version as if you only get the donwload, are you going to get unlimited downloads for FSPC v1 or limited donwloads since thats what happened with FPSC, I don't see that coming up in my download history as being downloaded form TGC unigue server.
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I just can't believe people here actually think that $5.00 or $11.00 is a lot of money, geez, that's pocket change. All Im disappointed about is that here I am, it's August 03, 2005 at 5 o'clock in the morning in Illinois, thinking that Version 1 is going to be released any day now, like in a week or two ( heard it was going to be out later july / early august ), NOW I hear that it's going to be released in early-mid-september. Geeez. All due respect to the TGC, and I know you're just trying to make a great product ( and that it is ), but after several months of waiting for V1 to come out, there can't be too many severe bugs out there, and I dont think [too] many of us really sweat the small stuff. You're probably giving Lee a bump on his back from too much hard work. Hope he goes on vacation pretty soon, he needs it.

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Jordan Siddall
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Ah man. THIS ******* RULZ!
Any chance of you posting an image of what the manual and the case look like Lee?
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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 16:38
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Jiffy, don't diss the dialup users, we have our methods. Yes we do...

TheDude, take a look at this here equation. 11/(Income(monthly)+.1 * savings) if this comes out to be .5 or greater, 11 dollars IS a lot of money. I hate the fact that people are so one minded, to a 5 year old, $11 is $110, to an adult $11 is $1.1. The value of money is directly related to your income, and your savings.

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@Menarvo: in legal terms, it's not the same ...
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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 16:44
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I am not talking legal. He said "$11 is not a lot of money"

Money is relitive to the person who's money it is.

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 16:55 Edited at: 3rd Aug 2005 17:05
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@Menarvo: I was refering to what you posted before ...

Quote: "
http://www.fpscreator.com/license.php

copy this page and store it some where."


It's a simple question -still not answered- about the "non-royalties" subject: is it going to be included in the "final" license agreement? (Yes/No).
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I don't know if anyone's noticed, but no-one is complaining about the price they paid, which they obviously didn't have an issue with when they bought it.

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The only thing that people are complaining about is that somebody else who they have never met will be paying slightly less than they did.
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Think about it! You are letting someone you will never meet in your lifetime churn you up over a few dollars.

You can't say it's not fair that the price has dropped, because you were happy to pay it.

Now go and make something fantastic, you just wasted so much development time!!!!!!

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 17:19
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it was in agreement that the EA users would have no finantal differences then the V1 buyers.

SPELLING HELL

yes

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From reading the rants and raves over a few bucks I assume most of the complaints are from kids who only get $10 bucks a week as an allowance.

If they ever had to pay a REAL upgrade for software there would be no complaints. Heck, I shell out at least $2000 (USA) a year in upgrades.

I am just VERY excited to see the finished product. I am pulling for the Beta Testers!!! Put it through the ringer guys.

relax - in a 100 years who's gonna care
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I'm not a kid, and I wasn't definitely kidding when I asked: "is it going to be included in the 'final' license agreement?" (and I'm still waiting TGC's response). I consider this a serious matter ...
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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 17:58 Edited at: 4th Aug 2005 06:01
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Horray for Madhouse, one of the first people who have a brain that isn't infested with "greed, and stupidity". Value of Money depends on the person!

This thread is dead. These people seriously have forgoten the agreement to EA.

Quote: "There should be NO specailty because we were EA'rs, we agreed to be EA'rs and ONLY receive the software early. There should be NO specailty upgrade simply because of the small money difference, those upgrades cost MORE then your loss. No EA specailty's at all."


I like my qoute

This really is just a TOA issue which said that EA'rs have no finaintal loss then V1'rs. Which is not the case anymore.

P.S. I am sorry for bringing it up, undoubtedly people would have missed that if I had not.

Ultrahead... yes, it will be included, it is a legal issue, and stuff.

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@Menarvo: I don't want your confirmation but TGC's.
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I am not confirming, Legally, the MUST include licence agreements. If they don't then it can be assumed that you can do whatever you want with the product and they can't do anything about that.

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Again, I want to hear it from TGC -and I wondering why they didn't confirm it, yet.
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@ Batvik, no nobody will look up to me cos I never actually worked with the EA it's to slow to even make something worth calling 'games' (see AI to).

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Posted: 3rd Aug 2005 20:29
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TheDude,

You can see from Lees diaries that a lot of stuff is getting done on a daily basis, and yes there is still a lot to do before TGC get V1 out the door. There are still possibilities that further features that some have requested that have not been confirmed here at this forum may make it into V1. May make it I said.

So although Lee is extremely busy spending a lot of hours working away and I know cos I have been communicating with him a lot of that time the last couple of days and yes he could probably do with that holiday. Lee and TGC would not want to release V1 until Beta testing has extensively eliminated all "reasonable" traces of any bug that "is found" - (They would not knowingly wish to release otherwise) - and on top of that tweak and polish the product which is being done as requested and suggested in many posts here. It is being improved in many areas on a daily basis. This is a major upgrade from EA.

There is only one V1 and TGC want to make it the best it can possibly be under the prevailing circumstances. Even then there will be some who will not be satisfied and thats fair enough - it could always be better.

Lee and the TGC team I am sure will want to be personally satisfied with the product before an official release of V1. I am sure they will want it to be a product TGC are proud of and indeed it will be so, thats already apparent.

Then or perhaps even before Lee will get his holiday....I do hope so.

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See merranvo, trying to improve AI with very little outside support.

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Hi, since this thread started we have listened to user views and we feel we need to address the balance for our loyal EA users. We are considering the creation of an extra model bank add on which will sell as an extra media pack. All EA users will receive this Free of charge via dowload.

I did not expect to reduce the price of FPSC when we started out with EA. It's only now that we are trying to get it placed into retail channels that we have had to rethink pricing.

More details on this media pack when it's done, but don't worry, it'll be worth it's salt and we know all of our EA users from our database.

BTW, V1 just keeps getting stronger each day. Lee has made some kind of volcano demo to show off more spawning object features (which I forced him to add in). I have also asked him to add in a Story Zone object, so you will be able to show image files and movie files at key points in your game.

The physics are the best part by far. I just spent 15 minutes making a small game. I had to move crates to get up and out of a cellar, only to be attacked by Col X thowing bombs at me. Earlier today I made a room with doors all round the outside, as soon as I flicked a switch, in came 8 col x characters, all pushing aside the dynamic objects in the room. It's becoming one amazing game making tool - the wait is nearly over!

BTW, EA is just so OLD compared to what V1 can do! I will make a new video as soon as I can to show you more!

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Thanks for the update Rick.

There you are - the New Story Telling capabilities are now official forum knowledge - you can feel the excitment in Rick's words over the product.

It really is becoming a such a major upgrade that EA bears little comparison to the comiing new V1 with its additional fetaures and capabilities... and the good news will continue for a while yet I am sure.

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Merranvo: What is your obsession with crack, you have accused other members of this forum as being abusers of the drug, I for one do not think this is a suitable comment on a forum that has all types of ages attending, I would ask you to refrain from using such remarks.

Rick: the model idea sound good, thanks to you and TGC for trying to make it up to the EA’ers, I look forward to V1 and the EA extras, what ever form this may take.

To all: The guys are trying to work something out for the EA’ers, so be patient and see what come up.

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Rick, your surcomming to the taunts of little kids, remember, the three evils (n00bs, Trolls, whiners) have no power on their own, but when they unite nothing can stop them. EVERYONE RUN FOR YOUR LIVES...

Duh de duh duh dooo. Duh de duh duh di. Duh de duh duh dooo. Duh Duh de di(squealed).


Aone- because the people posting are not doing anything practical. This models pack is a horrible deal, TGC is losing more then we lost by doing it. I complain about a refund, these people want specail treatment. It is NOT the same.

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It certainly seems to be somewhat more than fair to me. The latest statement shows the reasoning behind the pricing decision from the commercial point of view and it seems to me to be a reasonable explanation of commercial realities.

Personallly I would be more than prepared to help TGC in facing these difficult commercial decisions - by accepting the pricing policy in return for the additional quality of the new V1 updated product alone which will/would have been exceptional value for money.

Of course it is an honourable thing to do for TGC to make some kind of recompence to EA purchasers in a voluntary fashion in the light of the well known previously published staements regading V1 pricing.

Much as I would like to have some extra models I would be pleased to forfit such in support of TGC and especially future development of FPSC. I can live without the models, but care a great deal about the future of FPSC.

Who knows it wont be the first engine and I have purchased numerous at much greater cost than FPSC that at the moment sit on my computer hard drive or on CD/DVD and nothings getting developed with them at the moment in preference to FPSC so I wont miss either the cost of EA, V1 or any recompence. Thats life. I'll just get up and get on with it.

Making a computer game for me is at much greater cost than any of that......I lost more than the diff in finacial cost between EA and V1 in the time spent writing the posts in this thread.

Time is by far the greatest cost...Five years down the road I will think that to be even more true wont I....

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True... TGC you owe me... $100,000 for time that this forum pulled me away from life. Pay up now... jk

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Havnt you ever heard of voluntary contributions to the improvement of society?

You should get a medal. From someone. Perhaps all EA purchasers could get one!

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for things I did without expectant of anything I get rewarded... nice. Now we can all stop these shenanagens, you all get Anti-Mod badges for FREE! It more then covers the price difference!

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I want one with Aiko on it. I chose her first. Its not fair if you get her and I dont.

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Quote: "
Much as I would like to have some extra models I would be pleased to forfit such in support of TGC and especially future development of FPSC. I can live without the models, but care a great deal about the future of FPSC."


well said sir....

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We need Aiko thread... as she is like the only woman (who looks like a woman) in FPSC!


Here is your Aiko Anti-Mod Badge... Wear it with Pride.



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Well thats my recompence sorted.

But I want to change my mind now.

I want a badge with Merranvo on it

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Aoneweb,

Thank you.

And you can call me Uman or Peter.

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Sorry, my Identity Must Remain A Secret...

But I can't resist it...

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Ah, must be the MOD status

or was it Anti MOD status?

Are you working for the opposition? The men in grey suits? or are you freelance?

???
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We are the Anti-Mods.
We serve no one.
Our Pride is shared.
Our Spirt is one.

We do not allow,
the curropt to rule.
We fix the wrongs,
the sufferings of one.
We are not Mods,
We are teh Anti-Mods.

Correctors of the wrongs, the pains endured.
Rejoice, hear thee, We are the Anti-Mods!
We are here to stay.

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Ah, right, Clear as Mud

And back on topic before someone shouts at me.....

I accept the honourary membership badge of the Aiko Anti MOD Society in preference to the Clear as MUD Muppets Bikers Association Sticker

Plus V1 when it comes out and put the extra on my bill please.

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Edit on Merranvo Badge...

I need to get the eyebrow fixed...

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You need to get the face fixed.

Sorry I cant stop laughing.... no offence meant to the Association mind you

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@RickV:

Good news for us, the EA'ers, but to be honest, I'll continue feeling a little worried until I see the "final" license agreement of FPSC -and the no-royalties statement in it ...

Cheers!
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I'm not real good with Photoshop...
I am trying to smooth the face over, but It get's really screwed up...

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I thought this thread was about V1 pricing? must have got it wrong.

Had to be said.

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A1, anti-mod slapped. you need to get off my back, and start noting that this is a much better topic then That Idiot Merranvo's topic...

Wait... I am Merranvo, so since I created the topic, I am changing it.

And I am refering to the fact that after I posted 'buying EA made me lose a bit of money' it quickly started an avalance that was full of greedy little children (because you so kindly pointed out that I am posting poorly). So stop being so sad and join the Anti-Mods, after I decide that you have matured enough to let live and let be.

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Aoneweb,

It is about V1 pricing and that was stated in the begining of the thread way back. No further comment should have been allowed but has been to the credit of TGC. I would have locked it after the pricing statement and took no comment at all. But then I am not TGC - arnt we all lucky.

No flaming going on here but maybe lighthearted and a little off topic....thats a matter of opinion. I am sure some would say theres some poking fun going on.

If anyone had a thread going about a winning great game made with FPSC EA or other valuable and interesting topic to post about then I am sure everyone would be over there filling that thread up instead. Truth is as with the near launch of EA, V1 is not too far away and everyones awaiting that - EA has been done to death and is as good as dead now - no ones going to develop much with EA from now on in. You can expect that things are likely to get a little hectic around here in the next few weeks or so as the tension builds towards the release of V1.

If anyone has something more to say about pricing then let them say it while they can.

But your comment again is fair and your point is a valid one so no more from me here as I have said my bit on pricing - I'll take the badge.

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Posted: 4th Aug 2005 06:22
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Quote: "We are considering the creation of an extra model bank add on which will sell as an extra media pack. All EA users will receive this Free of charge via dowload."


That should satisfy the children here. If I want the pack I will however buy it anyway, as I see no reason TGC should lose money over such a small amount of money difference.

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