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JoelJ
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that was cute philip

I think I like the jam sandwhich idea tho IanM

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Should be more generic...

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Quote: "Apart from losing 5 fps compared with 5.8, everything seems to run fine here. Testing a lot of code "


I too lost a few fr/sec when trying out 5.9 compared to 5.8. Not a big deal since I'm not working on anything important, but a little disappointing nonetheless. I'm sure that optimizations will be in the pipeline and are forthcoming (6.0?), but as long as the package works as a whole, correctly, then that's what I really care about. A machine can be faster to run a program better, but if the software doesn't work right to begin with then it doesn't matter how well the machine will run the program, it will be messed up already. So I'll take better-working software I guess. I'm looking forward to 6.0 and all that it might have included (physics), plus with any and all bugfixes along the way, should be a good package.

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Posted: 18th Oct 2005 11:26 Edited at: 18th Oct 2005 11:27
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Maybe some safety checks have done this one to come back to 5.7's speed.

Also I think that not only OBJECT SIZE, but whatever the command, if it changes its functionality, the old functionality should be maintained to keep us out of trouble when re-compiling old or in curse projects...

This way, we'll have more commands (the old and the new) and everybody should be happy.
Because we are not talking about bug fixing, it is a change of behaviour, isn't it?
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Lost in Thought
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Posted: 18th Oct 2005 11:34
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I got a FPS increase with 5.9

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Duffer
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Posted: 18th Oct 2005 15:11
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@ Mike etc,

Will the help system be updated now to encompass all new ode etc commands? with u.5.9? with u6?
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Posted: 18th Oct 2005 18:37
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a very late thank you mike.
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Posted: 18th Oct 2005 20:16
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Quote: "Will the help system be updated now to encompass all new ode etc commands? with u.5.9? with u6?"


I think there were some mumblings of this happening, as Mike was working on some examples for the new commands. Could see about upgrading the manual, will have a chat tonight to see what's going on in that respect.



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Philip
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Posted: 18th Oct 2005 23:19
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The manual project is a long term one.

I offered to re-draft it using my, er, quintessential style. Strangely, though, TGC didn't exactly jump at this generous offer. Maybe it was my suggestion about devoting an entire section to jam sandwiches, especially their uses and how to create the perfect one, that may have been the knell of doom.

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Duffer
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Posted: 19th Oct 2005 11:47
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@ Mike & Raven,

The lack of the single source reference for commands is a growing frustration for existing users and clearly a put-off for potential buyers - looking at it from the commercial-sense point of view...
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Raven
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Posted: 19th Oct 2005 19:23
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Yeah, I know. If I have time, I'll be throwing together some basic documents just to cover new functions.

(this said I'm not entire sure which ones are new and which aren't, so many just haven't been documented)

This will change with Update 6.0 though, while it seems like that is being used a lot as a term; the plan is to ship Update 6.0 Beta Build 601 at the end of the month. With it will be documentation and examples for *ALL* functions not currently getting this treatment.

So yeah, the fabled release is closer than everyone thinks. This said it's not the release version...
That particular beauty is probably going to end up being released in the new year.

No doubt your sitting there thinking "WHAT?! Why release a Beta if it's not due out for atleast another 3months?!"

All I can say is... "Mike has a cunning plan."

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Posted: 19th Oct 2005 20:53
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...As long as it's so cunning you could pin a tail on it and call it a fox.

Still confused at the moment, though, as to what's happening with 5.9. I know Mike was waylaid, but there are still a raft of confirmed but not scheduled or fixed bugs, and you keep talking about an updated ODE.

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Maybe Mike has taken my suggestion onboard and decided to merge 5.9 and 6.0 together (to get 6.9)...

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Raven
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Posted: 19th Oct 2005 21:57
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5.9 will be released Friday (definate) and Monday (officially)
Mike has been side-tracked by the FPSC Model Pack this week.

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ahhh...

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@raven
how in the hell do you know this! I think your lee bamber in disguise

you dont beat the system. the system beats you.
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Etienne
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@Raven , do you unofficially work for Tgc ?

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Mike did say he was busy doing other things elsewhere - plus he said he wanted to get it out this week...

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Posted: 20th Oct 2005 13:06
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At times you get the feeling that it's like the company is like an uncoordinated Donkey.

Technically the only thing really waiting for the 5.9 release is, well for it to be released. Everyone (cept me, but i'm just the support monkey) is busy with other things.

I should be working on ODE and the "other" thing right now, but too blasted knackered. 2 hours session talking to Microsoft Support, not something that is easily done at 5am.

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Posted: 20th Oct 2005 18:52 Edited at: 20th Oct 2005 18:53
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Quote: "At times you get the feeling that it's like the company is like an uncoordinated Donkey."

You should see what its like where I am... Here its an uncoordinated sloath...

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Quote: "I should be working on ODE and the "other" thing right now, but too blasted knackered. 2 hours session talking to Microsoft Support, not something that is easily done at 5am."


I thought you were just doing support and not any coding.


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Posted: 20th Oct 2005 23:49
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Jimmy, you may have a good point there.

And tea. He makes a good cup of tea, apparently.

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Raven
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Ravey is stil jealous I got his old job.

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wait raven, you just joined march of this year? im almost certain ive seen you long before that, and i liked your previous avitar more too....

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ahhh so you do work with tgc / for tgc / on tgc Raven , don't you ?

Bah ...

Let's go on with this .
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Jimmy
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Quote: "Ravey is stil jealous I got his old job."


I think 'irritated' would be the proper word there.

I just hope you aren't on the payroll, because if you are, it will just confirm that TGC are out of their freakin' minds.

In any case, you need to stop lying about doing any coding for them and stick to what you were "hired" to do.

Oh, right, and 5.9 Beta 3. Fantastic stuff! Makes me want to come back to DBP. In fact, I am coming back to DBP. Aint it great? Yep. Yep it great.


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Raven's coding could be regarded as being indirectly for TGC. Anyway, thats enough discussion of what Raven is/isn't and may or may not be doing.

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Shouldn't the full upgrade be out today? Or did i just read something wrong?

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Release dates always slip. Mind you, they are usually calculated incorrectly to start with

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Got me, from what I knew the Update was due out today. It's what we had agreed upon.

Give everyone a weekend with the new update before it's officially released with the newsletter Monday. Looks like I'm not gonna see this one release, oh well.

He's probably still having issues with that model pack for FPSCreator. TBH it would've made more sense for him to have been working on some the things I was (programming wise) and had me sort out the model pack .. but oh well. I'll assume they're both on track for Monday and the Newsletter atleast, but god knows.

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This beta 3 will be the final 5.9 upgrade for now.
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So I guess no working lightmaps for what 3 months? Great, just great. I thought there was a fix for that so we could actually use 3dws. So now there is no physical way of getting lightmaped levels in dbpro without doubling the polygon count. Thats my project screwed then
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Chenak - please be patient. I'm sorting all the light map issues and will be another release very quickly after this. You can get things working anyway now, all it means is a few extra calls after loading your object to the set blend map command. The difference in the next upgrade is that it wont overwrite certain data so it is done automatically.
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My maps all have up to 5 or 6 lightmaps so the set blend mapping command doesn't cut it unless there is another obscure hidden feature. Guess I have to go back to using two crappy .x files, framerate drop to 24, yay
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Why don't you load both .x change the FVF of the first one to include a second set of UV points then transfer the UV points across .. then use the blend mapping to assign the lightmaps?

it's how i was doing it in 5.8 when the vertex commands were released (and mike explained how the blend mapping worked )

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Blend mapping can only apply one image to the entire object. It can never be applied to limbs, so it won't work unless I create a stupidly high resolution lightmap that only five 3d cards support

I could break down the entire model using the create object from limb command if it wasn't totally and utterly broke, and if having many objects didn't drop the frame rate to 1...
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Please relax Chenak I'm also a 3DWS user that would like to get the lightmapper to work in dbpro. But Mike did say that a release will come quickly after this. So i'm nearly sure that we'll soon have lighmaps in dbpro

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Please ignore anything Raven says about the Newsletter being out on Monday. He knows not what he's talking about.

The only person that knows is Rich.

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Quote: "Please ignore anything Raven says about the Newsletter being out on Monday. He knows not what he's talking about.

The only person that knows is Rich."


Well given I was told it was planned for the 23rd (which would be tommorrow but Rich only releases them after the weekend), unless there is a reason it has been delayed.. I would gather it's still due out on-time.

Only possible reason I can think of for any delay would be Server 1 dying last Monday. Still wasn't sorted Friday, a lot of unhappy campers about that.

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Quote: "This beta 3 will be the final 5.9 upgrade for now."


I didn't see that coming

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Indeed - but as long as DarkSDK is updated, I wont mind...

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They are going to update the DarkSDK?

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Quote: "Well given I was told it was planned for the 23rd (which would be tommorrow but Rich only releases them after the weekend), unless there is a reason it has been delayed.. I would gather it's still due out on-time."


Like I say Raven, you really have no idea what you're talking about. And time will tell.

Please stop pretending you are the man on the inside. You just proved you knew nothing about U5.9. On Monday, we'll see there is no newsletter. I imagine there will be no Xbox controller announcement on Monday. I foresee no upgrade to ODE on the horizon, as promised by you, claiming to be the developer. Need I go on?

I could go on. I could post the contents of your email to me, which was full of so much baloney I nearly fell off my chair. Yes, you fooled me into thinking TGC really had employed you to maintain ODE and multiplayer. And had I taken note of what you said in your mail to me, Rich would now be wondering why I suddenly became Mr. unreliable this month.

It's about time you admitted to the community that your recent posts are utter fantasy.

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Quote: "It's about time you admitted to the community that your recent posts are utter fantasy."

I would say that virtually all that Raven says is fantasy.
I´ve met this type of person before. They said they had varios Ferris but they prefer their tuscan. That a freind of their´s wrote the software that runs a bank in 3 days. That they´re friends with a famous dj. That their mobile has a constant conenection to their pc (He even showed me the mobile connecting to the net and took it away quickly before it cnnected).
Anyway. Case is it´s better to take everything Raven says with a shovel of salt.

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I though they would have at least put the collision system back like 5.8 public (5.7 or preferrably 5.8 sdk version) as it is now completely useless for polygon collisions.

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"shovel of salt" .. poor raven

Let's go on with this .
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come on, don't just leave us hanging.
[Chanting] 5.9 final! 5.9 final! [/chanting]
i always think "hey, the way they're talking about this update,
i'm actually going to TRY this one when it's done!". but then,
at the end, there's always a bunch of new stuff broken, so i stick
with my 5.2 i've never even seen advanced terrain, or any
of the other new stuff becuase it's just too scary the new bugs
i'll run into.

above you said be patient. well, i've been patiently waiting for an
acceptable upgrade for over a year. gimme one.
no offense, just want good stuff,
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Yeah, I agree with IBOL. Please finish this one off 100%... Please...

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Quote: "I though they would have at least put the collision system back like 5.8 public "


The way I interpret things is that Sparky's collision is becoming the official collision system, and it's coming very soon.

I could be wrong, but that's the way I am interpreting it at the moment.

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Just flicked over on to this thread - vitriolic or what?

@ TGC, as long as it takes, a solid upgrade, and documented, fully documented commands.... if beta 3 if the final one, make it a straight u5.9 otherwise I'll be waiting for the solid version...
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