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FPSC Classic Product Chat / FPS Creator Reloaded - Kickstarter Fund Raising Begins, please pledge!

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Flatlander
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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 00:59
Quote: "May be that's why she paid it! lol"




Yay for Jenny.

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LeeBamber
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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 04:21
Yay!!

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Jerry Tremble
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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 04:27
Just pledged £100, that may go up if we don't go on strike before December 1. Wow, this is my first post here as well! Been here since at least 2004 and never had anything really to say but have learned an a lot! Thanks to all. I would really like to see this succeed!
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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 05:06 Edited at: 6th Nov 2012 05:06
I have to ask about paypal. I'm unable to make the pledge without it. If paypal is put up, you have my £45. I'm really keen to see this happen, so please can paypal be put up.

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MrValentine
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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 09:41
Paypal is not an option?

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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 10:22
Kickstarter doesn't support PayPal. This is not something TGC has any control over.

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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 13:37
Which is a shame as I'm sure many, many more people would be able to pledge.

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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 17:01
Hello I don't think i've ever actually posted on the FPSC forums before, but some of you may remember me from DBPro forums and 3D chat. I used to make alot of free models and post them there. The name was just Spotaru then but i no longer have that email account and had to make a new one. I could'nt use that name again so now its Spotaru 2. Anyway, i've been using FPSC for quite a while and have decide to back the kickstarter for Reloaded. I hope to get time to get back into my modeling soon and now that i am familiar with the process maybe i can make the fpsc ready. Good Luck with the kickstarter!!!!!
Seth Black
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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 17:23
Pledge

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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 19:09


Do it now!

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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 20:08
Are you sure there's no workaround for paypal? October 2013 is a painfully long time for me to wait when I know those betas I would be paying for are being released.

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Flatlander
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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 20:40 Edited at: 6th Nov 2012 20:41
Quote: "Kickstarter doesn't support PayPal. This is not something TGC has any control over."


Quote: "Which is a shame as I'm sure many, many more people would be able to pledge. "


I may be wrong but I'm sure Rick or Lee would make some kind of arrangement for those who don't have a charge card. I would contact one of them. But, maybe their hands are tied as well.


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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 20:56
Pledged...added my firstborn as a bonus.

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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 23:40
I just hope the new version doesn't have so many errors as this one. I can almost fill a transatlantic

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Posted: 6th Nov 2012 23:50
I just started a thread about this on the forums of my country's largest video game magazine. There's hoping someone will take interest and pledge.

I pledged £45 myself to gain access to beta and get the DVD copy shipped to me
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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 00:45
I have made my pledge.

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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 01:15 Edited at: 7th Nov 2012 01:24
Good on everyone that's made a pledge so far, large or small; it all adds up! To those that haven't been able to pledge (due to lack of future funds, or only able to use PayPal), but have promoted word of mouth; our thanks to you as well!

Also of note; questions are getting answered regularly, both in the FAQ at the bottom of the KS page, as well as in the comments section here. So check back there often, if you were wondering about something in particular. Of course, if you've signed up to pledge, you can also ask your own questions there as well.


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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 01:50 Edited at: 7th Nov 2012 02:03
Its a pity that some are having problems with pledging because they dont have a credit card, I suspect many of our younger members are trying to convince their parents to do this for them.
This software has forced me to learn so many things I might otherwise have missed out on or merely skipped over. For the price of a game, I got something I am still using and messing around in over six years later and if this project goes ahead I suspect I will be many more years doing so.

Its educational and to be honest sometimes its a downright mega puzzle that has no end, as you learn you become more demanding of your own project ideas and start to push the engine to its limits. This for me is where it started to get interesting.
With this new version I reckon it will relieve many of the problems that have occurred as the developers have added more and more features to it (it wasn't designed originally for the load}, it has outgrown itself and really needs to be reloaded to build on the foundation created by its predecessor.

In a way I will be sad to see the old version go as it has a lot memories of many hours spent hair pulling, but also a lot of those 'Eureka' moments and the feeling you get when an idea clicks together.

Some consider FPSC a toy, if it is, it should be up there in the record books as 'Most educational and potentially longest lasting toy ever made'.

If your too young to pledge yourself point out to your parents the value of this project.

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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 09:45 Edited at: 7th Nov 2012 09:48
I recommend TGC copying the method of payment from this project on Kickstarter as an example:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen?ref=category

...allowing people to pay using more methods. (They announce that on their info on the project.)

Like = Follow!

Gamers Gear
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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 12:21 Edited at: 7th Nov 2012 12:24
Hearing the buzzwords about a brand new FPSC, seeing the changes being added leaves me fairly optimistic about it, I originaly pretty much left FPSC since the engine just simply in the end didn't felt powerfull enough to be of a decent product atleast, altough the final drop was probably because I got tons of errors in a fairly simplistic project, so I'm probably just too stupid.

Getting back in this community feels, odd, I'm even seeing people I downright remember, and I even re visited my old threads, kinda in the same way you revisit the skeletons in your closet to remind you how stupid you are.

Christ I actually began on this community while I was 15 years old, and now I'm 22, how time flies.

Oh and, pledged 25 pounds, might be a subject to change, but I have no real interest in a physical copy anyhow, but I do hope you meet the goal, it seems like it will be a thin line, but totally possible if it keeps up in the same pace.
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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 13:21
I made my pledge of £45. It enough to help and it also gets me a full version plus the betas! Its a win win situation.

To those struggling to pay because of PayPal limitations; could you not ask someone to pledge on your behalf and you pay them via paypal?

Maybe ask Lee if this is possible? I realise there might be complications due to them needing to know who gets what reward for pledging etc, but, this is small price to pay.

Unfamillia

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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 16:39
I did the math and at current rate, pledges add up to £45,000 by the end of November. Hopefully the pace will pick up when December 1st comes nearer.
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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 16:47
Please make PayPal an option. I do have Visa Electron but I'm not sure if that'll work. What if I pledge 100 quids now, but for some reason my account doesn't have that amount by the time it should get charged?
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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 17:02
I watched fps creator for many years from my dark corner and i want to help..... so here is my advise. You need to get some youtubers like (TotalBiscuit, Yogscast) to promote this project on kickstarter like they did with some games. Its the only solution i think or you will never reach the $60000 coal.
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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 17:59
I know it probably isn't the spirit of Kickstarter, but is there any reason why, if by the deadline the project needs a last bit of money to unlock the funding, TGC couldn't just make a pledge themselves?

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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 18:47 Edited at: 7th Nov 2012 18:49
Quote: "I know it probably isn't the spirit of Kickstarter, but is there any reason why, if by the deadline the project needs a last bit of money to unlock the funding, TGC couldn't just make a pledge themselves?"


Most likely because this Kickstarter is not only just to cover FPS Creator Reloaded but for a big part to keep TGC afloat.

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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 20:02
I really want this to go through, FPSC Reloaded would be so great. But the funding needs to pick up the pace, and I can't help

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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 21:13 Edited at: 7th Nov 2012 21:16
Quote: "I really want this to go through, FPSC Reloaded would be so great. But the funding needs to pick up the pace, and I can't help "


Even one pound pledge might help, you never know. It's not about the amount it's all about support. If we get more people to pledge, even if it's just a quid, we'll have higher chance hitting the bullseye.

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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 21:18
Great !! i can't wait !! i'll make my pledge soon

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Posted: 7th Nov 2012 22:41
People expect too much from the FPSC.

I really would like to see new HD FPSC with stable program architecture... but i think it's impossible. DarkBasic is not a good programming language, especially to create games such as nowadays. I've seen professional programs in action (eg. UDK, Unity, and free to use) that surpass what you want to improve in the new "refreshed" version. FPSC is a tool for kids, for hobby, not for a people who wants to make games in professional way. Why ? Many bugs in simplest things. And important, its just a CREATOR program.

People expect something...

Should be think about what really want to attain. Money for a new product (that will be sold for a period of time), or a really sincere intentions to create something unique. I realize, that nobody wants work hard for free, So reward for their work is fine.

So maybe TGC will create free and open project (similar to X-Quad Editor *?) with rest of talented programmers all over the world ? Or TGC own product with Two licenses, for non-commercial use, and for commercial use. Good for people who wants to create RPG, GoW game ect.

*X-Quad was a good idea, a pity that it is not developed.

Conclusion...


FPSC 9x shows that, without mods, this program is a simple fps game creator, and probably without it ever turn into the FPSC Reloaded. I'd prefer to have a easy to use DK program, and tool easy to create games (Efficient, not effective). So FPSC "2" is not what I would probably buy in the future, but anyway... good luck in this project !
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Posted: 8th Nov 2012 11:50
Quote: "People expect too much from the FPSC.

I really would like to see new HD FPSC with stable program architecture... but i think it's impossible. DarkBasic is not a good programming language, especially to create games such as nowadays. I've seen professional programs in action (eg. UDK, Unity, and free to use) that surpass what you want to improve in the new "refreshed" version. FPSC is a tool for kids, for hobby, not for a people who wants to make games in professional way. Why ? Many bugs in simplest things. And important, its just a CREATOR program.

People expect something...

Should be think about what really want to attain. Money for a new product (that will be sold for a period of time), or a really sincere intentions to create something unique. I realize, that nobody wants work hard for free, So reward for their work is fine.

So maybe TGC will create free and open project (similar to X-Quad Editor *?) with rest of talented programmers all over the world ? Or TGC own product with Two licenses, for non-commercial use, and for commercial use. Good for people who wants to create RPG, GoW game ect.

*X-Quad was a good idea, a pity that it is not developed.

Conclusion...

FPSC 9x shows that, without mods, this program is a simple fps game creator, and probably without it ever turn into the FPSC Reloaded. I'd prefer to have a easy to use DK program, and tool easy to create games (Efficient, not effective). So FPSC "2" is not what I would probably buy in the future, but anyway... good luck in this project !"


Obviously we arent going anywhere with that attitude, and besides, not udk, not cryengine nor unity were as good as they are today when they started off, its true that fpsc leaves alot to wish for, but you can clearly see that TGC is at least doing their best to fix the bugs and to add the features that the community requested, so just keep that in mind, that in the future it really might become as well known and as powerful as the great game engines.
Besides, even with the current fpsc people have already made amazing games like hms dipterra, euthanasia, into the dark etc.

So yea, i believe we should all keep an open mind about the coming features and trust TGC
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Posted: 8th Nov 2012 13:04
Quote: "People expect too much from the FPSC.

I really would like to see new HD FPSC with stable program architecture... but i think it's impossible. DarkBasic is not a good programming language, especially to create games such as nowadays. I've seen professional programs in action (eg. UDK, Unity, and free to use) that surpass what you want to improve in the new "refreshed" version. FPSC is a tool for kids, for hobby, not for a people who wants to make games in professional way. Why ? Many bugs in simplest things. And important, its just a CREATOR program.

People expect something...

Should be think about what really want to attain. Money for a new product (that will be sold for a period of time), or a really sincere intentions to create something unique. I realize, that nobody wants work hard for free, So reward for their work is fine.

So maybe TGC will create free and open project (similar to X-Quad Editor *?) with rest of talented programmers all over the world ? Or TGC own product with Two licenses, for non-commercial use, and for commercial use. Good for people who wants to create RPG, GoW game ect.

*X-Quad was a good idea, a pity that it is not developed.

Conclusion...

FPSC 9x shows that, without mods, this program is a simple fps game creator, and probably without it ever turn into the FPSC Reloaded. I'd prefer to have a easy to use DK program, and tool easy to create games (Efficient, not effective). So FPSC "2" is not what I would probably buy in the future, but anyway... good luck in this project !"
I agree with Ldewitt, you do have a very pessimistic attitude towards the engine. FPSC was never targeted towards big game creation studios who makes massive and popular games. And you're right with one thing FPSC is meant to be a "simple fps creator" that's all we want from it and that's probably all it will be, it's not a bad thing since making a commercial quality game with it is not impossible.Don't talk like it's the engine's job to make your game fun and complex, it is not.
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Posted: 8th Nov 2012 13:13 Edited at: 8th Nov 2012 13:13
Quote: "I recommend TGC copying the method of payment from this project on Kickstarter as an example:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen?ref=category

...allowing people to pay using more methods. (They announce that on their info on the project.)"


@Red Eye you're right, you should have at least some payment alternative. I can not pay without paypal, like many others.

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Posted: 8th Nov 2012 15:55
Quote: "but you can clearly see that TGC is at least doing their best to fix the bugs and to add the features that the community requested, so just keep that in mind, that in the future it really might become as well known and as powerful as the great game engines."


Do not get me wrong, Yes, TGC is doing a great job with this program and praise them for it!

I know what happened to version 10x, and I would not want the same thing that happened with the 9x, or with "2"(unlikely).

Example of UDK, etc, came from the fact that TGC wants to go in a similar way, I think.

Quote: "I agree with Ldewitt, you do have a very pessimistic attitude towards the engine. FPSC was never targeted towards big game creation studios who makes massive and popular games. And you're right with one thing FPSC is meant to be a "simple fps creator" that's all we want from it and that's probably all it will be, it's not a bad thing since making a commercial quality game with it is not impossible.Don't talk like it's the engine's job to make your game fun and complex, it is not. "


This does not mean that it has to be something small and insignificant. That it is intended for fun, or for a hobby, does not mean it has to be something niche. Even modest tools can be used by amateurs and professionals. Do TGC wanted to create something for these two groups? I think so. Pessimistic? Rather, I would call it a "realistic approach". You know, the funny thing is that I currently working on a project, using the FPSC. (I had a chance to test it and I saw no future in it) But for now I have to deal with it alone, so FPSC is a great choice

Mainly I was concerned about is that people expect too much from the FPSC. They need to know that sometimes you can not do everything. The creation of such a thing that has to be in version 2, it is very difficult, especially in the DB. Therefore, I think throwing it on Kickstarter quite a bold idea(high risk in the event of failure). But, the world belongs to the brave!
FPSC is not very popular on this scale to collect such a large amount of money. I just came to my mind the idea that you can create a game that will make FPSC to become more famous? Just as it did with Quake. Just create a greater interest not only among fans of hobbyists, but also among professionals.

Of course, this is my point of view on this matter and I do not want to persuade anyone to do anything, or to deny someone anything.

I wish you all TGC success. Good Luck !
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Posted: 8th Nov 2012 22:24
I upped my pledge to £105.
I will try to investigate other avenues of exposure over this weekend.

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Quote: "you should have at least some payment alternative. I can not pay without paypal, like many others.
"


I agree. I believe that this is why we are not getting the amount of funds we should be getting, there are too many restrictions on payment methods. I bet we would be way farther towards our goal if absolutely everyone could pay with paypal or other methods. Its kind of bottlenecking the kickstarter in a way.

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Posted: 9th Nov 2012 11:37 Edited at: 9th Nov 2012 11:38
Hi FPSCR fans!

Behind the scenes we are working on a new demo level that will showcase the quality of FPS Creator Reloaded game levels. Today we can show you the first fruits of this work.

We're employing a technique called Parralax Occlusion Mapping - giving the environment much greater realism than the current FPSC.

We'll be posting more updates on this demo level next week.



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Posted: 9th Nov 2012 12:27
HOLY CRAP. That looks amazing!
Nice work guys, I'm pledging soon

-TZK

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Posted: 9th Nov 2012 13:12
That's awesome! but just curious, what happens to this if it doesn't reach the $60000 goal?
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Quote: "That's awesome! but just curious, what happens to this if it doesn't reach the $60000 goal?"


Then the project won't go ahead, at least not in its current form. It's all or nothing.


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Posted: 9th Nov 2012 14:58
Now that's really awesome, can't wait to see more of it.
Unfortunately, I can't see the project coming nice to the goal. Not sure why, it have awesome features. I guess because there was a lack of advertising.

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Posted: 9th Nov 2012 14:59
Drooling all over the place, guys please pledge. This is going to be amazing!

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Posted: 9th Nov 2012 15:04
Very cool indeed. This needs to happen!

I'll be spending the weekend exploring more avenues of exposure for sure!

Tremendous work guys. I sincerely hope that funding is met and this all doesn't get put to the back-burner or go to waste.

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Posted: 9th Nov 2012 16:25
Is it still a skybox or is it a Skysphere? That would be an amazing addition

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That looks amazing. Just purely amazing.
Is the lighting coming from the light source, because if so that is even better

If something compiles on the first try. Something is terribly wrong.
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Posted: 9th Nov 2012 17:16
A parallax mapping; very nice.


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Posted: 9th Nov 2012 21:16
@Beno09

"Unfortunately, I can't see the project coming nice to the goal. Not sure why, it have awesome features. I guess because there was a lack of advertising."

Beno, This project just started. It's doing great for only the first full week. Lots of forum members have indicated they will commit funds soon but can't till later in the month due to their pay schedules, other bills etc. The better it does the more attention it gets from other investors at Kickstarter. At this rate around 1000 people on average will be all it takes to meet their goal. FPSCreators has a lot of users and most seem interested in this project at some level! I am confident they will meet their goals!
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Posted: 9th Nov 2012 21:37
Looks freaking awesome! what fps are you guys getting in that shot?

Gonna pledge soon, just need to wait for some payments and then you will have my moneys! I promise!

I really hope that you guys make it...

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Posted: 9th Nov 2012 22:40 Edited at: 9th Nov 2012 22:41
I quickly looked into using PayPal and found this horror story on the subject: http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?s=630a24e9a38e36d737c6ae32aede2a66&t=1880

Given this, PayPal payments are unlikely to happen at the moment unless we feel very brave and risk being closed off from PayPal forever.

If you don't have a credit card you can get a Visa pre-paid card and load it up with the pledge you want to make. If you are under-age, push some notes into your parents hands and ask them to get the card for you. Here are some details:

http://www.visa.co.uk/en/products/visa_prepaid.aspx

I tend to agree with those users who suggest we will not meet our goal at the current rate of pledges. It's criminal really when so many people really want this to happen, but I am sure if the universe wants this to happen it will find a way!

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Posted: 10th Nov 2012 00:34
i believe that you can pay a couple bucks to have your video featured on youtube home page.

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