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Chenak
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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 15:15 Edited at: 16th Sep 2007 15:19
@pincho - I voted for it as one of my choices, not that it matters. Voted for yours too, but now I am sorely regretting that vote.

I imagine he's angry because your are accusing HIM of cheating. He won and you are still trying to convince people he only won because of foul play. It's insulting.

If it were me I would complain to the mods to have you slapped. Especially when you're only defence is "No one posted in my thread saying they voted for it so therefore it must be cheating".

Why should everyone post their vote (which again happened over a YEAR ago) just to prove you wrong? Its lame. Just stop it. Stop polluting this thread and take your spite and jealously somewhere else.
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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 16:24 Edited at: 16th Sep 2007 16:27
I don't care if I'm slapped, I'm so convinced that the result was a fix. I would even leave on my own accord. And this thread has elements of foul play in prize giving, and so I am on topic. People working at EuroPress made Amos, and Amos creators had something to do with Dark Basic, and Europress never gave out prizes either, I had to face them personally at a computer show. So now, I am suspicious of all their prize rewards. This site is going downhill. Now I am suspicious of you too Chenak.

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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 16:49 Edited at: 16th Sep 2007 16:55
Please keep this thread on topic and away from personal vendettas, or certain people will have the wrath of the NVIDIA debatees on their hands when it gets locked.


Quote: "Amos creators had something to do with Dark Basic"

er...no. Francois Lionet is very aware of DB, but DB materialised out of a reluctance to recreate AMOS on the PC in a format resembling the original. Take a look at Euopress' back-catalogue, and you'll see they went in the point'n'click direction.

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Quote: "er...no. Francois Lionet is very aware of DB, but DB materialised out of a reluctance to recreate AMOS on the PC in a format resembling the original. Take a look at Euopress' back-catalogue, and you'll see they went in the point'n'click direction."


Ok, I was just annoyed.. I'm staying out of this thread now.

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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 17:49 Edited at: 16th Sep 2007 17:56
Quote: "What's the matter with you? You have already posted that it took 5 minutes, and that you didn't know how to use Photoshop well enough to get rid of the jpeg artifacts. Yet you are arguing with me, and defending the image as though it was a masterpiece. If it was me that created the image, and everyone said that it shouldn't have won, I would say.. "Yeah, I don't really know how it won, but I am happy to have won." I wouldn't be arguing with people in its defence. Where are the posters that voted for it? I think somebody said... "I might have voted for it, but I can't remember." Maybe somebody else, but there were not many people posting that they voted for it in your defense."


I'm saying it took 5 mins and i wasn't very good in photoshop back then because I am saying its not the best entry there, I honestly do not know how it won. I thought david was going to win it. It wasn't the favorite of my 3 entries also.
This is my favorite one I entered:

Im not blowing my own horn here. I am very very angry with you because you are accusing me of fixing the compo!
I think i voted either Megaton Cat's Entry or one of David's Entries for first place. But i can't remember because its been OVER a year now. You've reached a new low!!.
You are obviously jealous. Don't disagree, because by the way you are behaving, going around pointing the finger accusing people of cheating.

Yes... the art is crap. But the idea is good and its obvious the idea won it (Same with the Christmas card compo... the art was basic but the idea was good). So just do us all a favor and shut up!
Pincho i have nothing more to say to you. So don't even bother replying.

Mods and topic goers I am sorry i shall stay on topic now, that was my Final say on the matter.

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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 18:15
Pincho and Cattleruster should have their own forum.

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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 18:16
I think it's kind of stupid that Mike's entry was removed from the competition and basically negate any prizes he would(never) have got, you're trying to tell me that some random 12 year old kid downloaded his game and pressed Ctrl? and typed NAKED out of the blue? What a load of crap he obviously knew exactly what he was doing and no doubt complained hoping for something just like this to happen.

So unless my game has some hidden lesbian scenes I don't know about then I still expect my prize.

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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 18:22
woo I'm part of a conspiracy now

I didn't enter the nVidia compo because uni had to take priority but I was considering the next compo (if there is one). Now I am having doubts, which is bad, because other people who read this thread will think the same which will have a negative effect in the next compo.

The games that were submitted were brilliant, and I think they deserve their prizes, the correct ones that were stated on the compo site.

I think next time TGC should have the prizes on hand before they state the prizes .
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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 18:23
No, I agree with them removing it, it doesn't matter that the kid knew what he was doing, the content is still in the game.

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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 18:27 Edited at: 16th Sep 2007 18:31
They did remove the download because of the content, shouldn't change the fact that he won. He technically did not break any rules and it has already been decided so he still should get a prize. It would be a very cheap shot if they did refuse to give it to him, especially with the grand screw up.
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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 18:27 Edited at: 16th Sep 2007 18:28
That was how you accessed the easter egg? That kid knew he was doing it. His dad probably heard or walked in on him, therefore kid says (Not my fault dad... just sprang up).

I think your probably safe Dark Coder, unless you can get disqualified for ship intimacy. Did you get your Physx prize in the end btw?

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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 18:35
Yeah, in fact Ageia upgraded the prizes due to the delay and gave me extra stress balls(I assume they anticipated this happening) so I now have three and can juggle them(barely).

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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 18:49
I think the next compo will be much better run.

The best one was the remakes one, where it had to be Snake, Scorched Earth or Operation Wolf. There wasn't any moaning about the results because everyone got individually reviewed, it was obvious that every game had been played (that obviously happened here as well, but people still had room to doubt).

What they should do is get the prizes in their hands before they state what they are. It would fix all of this.

They also need to speed up the review process and sending of prizes.

They should basically do this (imo):

- Only have one compo a year, at the same time every year, and call it, The DBPro Competition 2008 etc.
- Prizes must be in the hands of TGC or explicitly stated as possible/probably prizes.
- People must sign up to Apollo in order to enter
- Users will then be given a screen when they log in : Do you want to enter this year's competition?
- If they click yes, a thread will automatically be created on the compo board titled "Chris K's Entry - TITLE"
- Teams are not officially recognised. Only one user can make a thread. People can work in a team but the prize will be sent to the creator of the thread and it must be worked out between the team.
- The first post of this thread is made with a strict template from a form where people can upload screenshots and decide the title etc. The title of the thread is updated if they change the title.
- Users must upload a playable demo by a certain date or they will be eliminated.
- Users can then keep uploading a new version in place of this.
- EXACTLY ON THE DEADLINE, the upload option is removed, and those are the final versions.
- A new option appears on each thread where users can vote, similiar to the Puzzle Competition.
- It stores what every user rated each title, so that detailed records can be produced of each games's scores, for example: Chris K gave this game 6 out of 10. Chenak gave this game 7 out of 10.
- Users must have been members BEFORE THE COMPO STARTED to vote (so people can't make new accounts)
- If there is any doubt, the records can be checked.
- The Top 10 rated games are separated.
- These are the ones that can win prizes
- They are handed over to the judging panel where they are played and rated more extensively, and reviewed individually by each judge.
- The judges decide on the ordering of the Top 10, and who wins what prize.


If we follow that system, we can't get any fallout from the results, because they will be indisputable, it will be fairer because everyone's thread will be the same and good looking, the demo deadline cutoff will encourage people to work on their games earlier on, and the system of continually uploaded slightly better versions is a good coding habit for finishing projects.

Basically, a compo run like that every year will create a lot of very good games and buzz, which will bring in new users, who will make more games next year, which will make more buzz etc. etc.

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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 20:48 Edited at: 16th Sep 2007 20:55
Quote: " you're trying to tell me that some random 12 year old kid downloaded his game and pressed Ctrl? and typed NAKED out of the blue? What a load of crap he obviously knew exactly what he was doing and no doubt complained hoping for something just like this to happen."


i 100% agree

Let's think about this for a while:

1.The kid downloads the game
2.For some reason he knows that if you press ctrl and type naked you find this easter egg
3.the kid finds porn
4.kid's dad walks in
5.kid's dad likes porn
6.Kid's dad starts looking at porn at tells kid to go out and play
7.kid gets angry because dad stole his pc
8.kid gets revenge by telling people about this...

wellwell, now that i have solved this case and put all the pieces together and stuff.. i think i diserve a nice cold beer and a slap on the ass...


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Posted: 16th Sep 2007 22:14
Ummm, while the judges should have read the Nvidia WIP threads for any information about this and should have extensively tested the games for anything like this, I don't see anything wrong with Inel's entry being removed from this site when it's discovered later it has content that violates the standards of TGC. TGC could get into big trouble. There are laws against pornography being readily available without disclaimers or age verifiers. They have to remove it to cover their butt. They don't want to be fined or sued by someone. And if Mike Inel loses his right to a prize because of this (even though he should already have it), then so be it. He put content into a game that was against the rules.

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Posted: 17th Sep 2007 01:11 Edited at: 17th Sep 2007 01:14
Just to let everyone know that the access to the easteregg is just a single, simple key! (I can't tell it...)
Where did you all get the idea of Ctrl+NAKED???

IMO, they should have contacted me privately/secretly to remove the content and reupload it... Why need to vulgar my idiotic perversion??? Now Nvidia has a reason to not give the prizes...

Quote: "He put content into a game that was against the rules."

Just to be clear, i've compiled the rules:
1. Games must be created with DarkBASIC Professional.
2. Games can be a maximum size of 250MB in their compressed state.
3. Games must not include an 'installer' of any kind.
4. Games must be playable with a standard PC keyboard and mouse.
5. Games should be submitted archived in the .ZIP format.
6. Games must be submitted compiled (final EXE version) with all required media.
7. You agree to make the game source code available for review should we request it.
8. You are allowed to use any DarkBASIC Professional plug-ins (DLLs).
9. Any and all assets, artwork and materials must be the property of the author; use of proprietary third-party intellectual property including copyrighted or trademarked materials is prohibited, unless prior written permission can be supplied.
10. Any contravention of IP, copyright or trademarks made by entries will be solely the responsibility of the entrant and liability will be limited to the entrant, not to the judging companies.
11. All entries will be rated entirely at the discretion of the judges, made up solely of representatives of TGC and NVIDIA and all decisions of these judges are final.
12. Entries remain the property of their authors, but full and free (non-exclusive) distribution rights are granted in perpetuity to TGC and NVIDIA (and their associated subsidiaries and partners)
13. Judging companies will remove any prohibited materials from display or promotion upon being informed of their use by property-rights holders and entry will be removed from consideration for prize awards.
14. TGC and NVIDIA are not responsible for any damage or negative effect on entrant's hardware or software systems that may occur in entering this contest or otherwise related to normal operation of the software and hardware provided.
15. Entrants may submit entries at any time after first entry date of October 16th, 2006, and can update existing entries at any time until the final submission deadline of February 16th, 2007.
16. Entrants may submit multiple entries, but may only win one prize.
17. Entrants may submit entries to both the FPS Creator and DarkBASIC Professional competitions, but may only win one prize total.
18. Entrants may withdraw any of their entries from consideration up to the entry deadline of February 16th, 2007.
19. Product prizes may not be exchanged for cash.
20. Judges reserve the right to replace specific products or prizes with others of equal or greater value if necessary.
21. Prizes cannot be awarded to employees, agents, contractors or families of The Game Creators Ltd or NVIDIA.
22. Games must be playable offline and not require an Internet connection of any kind.

They did not state any rules about adult contents and any inclusion of the forum rules. (And I can't find the forum rules...)
(13 is about copyright issues, so don't be confused...)

I think I still deserve my prize as I followed the rules, but my entry should be kept offline...
But who cares??? Will they even give us the prizes? Hell no...

EDIT:
And I also think I didn't break the forum rules because I don't remember posting any nudes in my WIP thread.

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Posted: 17th Sep 2007 02:11
The rules also didn't say that your game should not include:
1. video footage of actual murders
2. naked pictures of religious leaders riding around on pigs
3. the automatic sending of death threat emails to world leaders without the players knowledge
4. routines which erase the players hard disk
5. hidden trojans which collect online banking details and send them to the author

Its common sense really.
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Mods! Mods! Batvinks sig is larger than 600x120! Injustice! Unequality! Where did the times go when mods were still members too?


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Posted: 17th Sep 2007 02:59 Edited at: 17th Sep 2007 03:00
It's also common sense to add these rules as I always read them in other competitions...
-.-
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That's why I asked in the first place...

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Mike, enough. You don't need to apologize if you ask me. What happened happened and although it was a rather... peculiar choice to add the easter egg, I find that seeing the rather uninterested responses, the lack of explanation and the lack of an answer to your question back then more than clears you of blame.

Come on Mike, don't let it get you down. It happened - won't happen again, will it?


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Posted: 17th Sep 2007 03:42
It's my first time to be accused actually... Heheh...
Yes, it won't happen again... I'll make sure everyone's aware if it has such content... (Especially 18+ warnings)

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Posted: 17th Sep 2007 03:51 Edited at: 17th Sep 2007 03:51
Well then, everything is good then - time to move on to more important things. A Work-in-Progress for the new IOtT, maybe? By the way, are you aware of the TGC Heroes project? Would you be able, or willing, to have your main character in the project, or an environment based on it? Your titles must easily be one of the most impressive ones available graphically, right up there with Evochron: Renegades and the special style of Dream.


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Quote: "Where did you all get the idea of Ctrl+NAKED???"


Pretty sure I read that somewhere, oh well

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Posted: 17th Sep 2007 09:02 Edited at: 17th Sep 2007 09:07
Quote: "Would you be able, or willing, to have your main character in the project, or an environment based on it?"

I guess I can't... Both characters were already bought by someone...
Besides, TGCH looks like the models requires few polys... And they never asked me about it anyway... -.-

Back to the topic:
It depends on the decision of the TGC members if they still want to give me a prize or not... Either way, i still want them to give the right prizes for the winners!

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Posted: 17th Sep 2007 11:30
They're bought? Darn.

TGCH is a major mash-up of well, anything. Our characters vary from a cube to Raiken from Sixty Squares. If it's not uberhigh-poly, we can always stylize it down a bit.

Who never asked you about what anyway? I'm working with TGCH, so I guess I just asked ya . Shame - would make for a terrific (!) action character.


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Posted: 17th Sep 2007 12:55 Edited at: 17th Sep 2007 12:56
I just think it (what Mike AMD did) was a really stupid and pointless thing to do. Was there actually any reason for doing it?

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Quote: "Mods! Mods! Batvinks sig is larger than 600x120! Injustice! Unequality! Where did the times go when mods were still members too?"


Well, you answered on equestion for me. My sig doesn't work here, and I don't know why. I swapped my correctly-sized version for the newsletter version to see if it made a difference. Here - no. For you - yes.

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I think people should just drop it and get over it. Mike made a great game and clearly asked if that kind of content was allowed. TGC missed it and later took it down, Mike can always give them a new version without it, problem solved.

Still not receiving prizes though is another matter and should not be dropped...
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... Nvidia are idiots. Where are these peoples prizes?

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Posted: 18th Sep 2007 07:27
Quote: "what Mike AMD did"

lol that cracked me up!




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Still no prizes

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You've got to be kidding me.....

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Just for note, I like the Chris K's idea. Would make this all much simpler.


Prizes aren't comming. If they are, it will be by sheer accident that someone sorts it out.


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Well thats a pisstake

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Posted: 22nd Oct 2007 14:37 Edited at: 22nd Oct 2007 14:38
Why don't you just bug nVidia to give you the prizes or else you put this story in newspapers and stuff

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Good news, NVIDIA are sorting things out (at last). I have emailed the winners to let them know things are moving.

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Wow, hope it goes over ok. Also, I kinda hope they update the prizes, the prizes are on the older side now

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Erm.. as your in a sorting out mood any chance of a "thanks for taking part" voucher for my little effort? http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=100011&b=32

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Quote: "Good news, NVIDIA are sorting things out (at last). I have emailed the winners to let them know things are moving."


Well it's now been 3 weeks since you said this, just how slowly are things moving?

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You're still getting a prize, right Mike? It would really suck if you didn't.


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I see gears turning at NVidia... But they're turning REALLY SLLOOOOW.

Seeing as Sudoku Arts hasn't noticed that I removed my genius sarcasm:
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Hey I guess a slow prize is better than no prize....a fast prize is better than a slow one but meh!

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Someone at Nvidia purposely glued up their gears, to irritate the TGCers who WANT THEIR PRIZES.

Seeing as Sudoku Arts hasn't noticed that I removed my genius sarcasm:
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Quote: "Good news, NVIDIA are sorting things out (at last)."


Hahahaha. .


I'm sorry if my laughing at what you said offends anyone, but it sounds funny coming from NVIDIA a year after the competition.

"Oh, I finally decided to get off my lazy ass and give everyone prizes from last year's competition. So go ahead and tell everyone. Sorry, I was too busy making money from people buying Vista, which means DirectX10, which means our video cards."


Again, no offense intended to anyone. Except to NVidia.


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Posted: 13th Nov 2007 05:53
Quote: "Hey I guess a slow prize is better than no prize....a fast prize is better than a slow one but meh!"


If we actually got them this is, it's almost a year now since the compo ended(I can't even remember when it ended :s), we should be getting this year's hardware instead now as the prizes we were going to get are soon going to be outdated.

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Posted: 13th Nov 2007 06:59
I agree with Dark Coder. You guys deserver updated prizes.

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That would be nice, by the time you get said cutting edge prizes they will be in the .50 bin at Walmart.

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I still can't believe that it's taking this long. I really think this will put a damper on participants in future contests here.

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