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Slayer222
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Quote: "there...I said something bad about FPSC so no fanboy comments"
Fred's a fan--- dang it!
Quote: "FPSC has come a long way since v1"
It has? Not in features I wouldn't say so, excepting save/loading, that was cool.

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Posted: 24th Nov 2007 16:21 Edited at: 24th Nov 2007 16:25
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Needs realistic shadows and new blood like blood that squerts out for 5 sec like in Gun but doesn't squert out like toothpaste.

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General powell11
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anyone have an idea on when the first x9 update gunna come out?

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About 1 year ago.

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well, the update for some features of allies etc

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Posted: 2nd Dec 2007 04:35 Edited at: 2nd Dec 2007 04:36
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Probly soon because they finished X 10 so why not go fix or add some awsome feature to X 9? Besides they have nothing else to do.

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i think they have plenty to do (fixing x10 bugs)

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Um, I already posted that. Lee said not to expect anything until after Christmas.

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Posted: 2nd Dec 2007 20:13
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Quote: "Um, I already posted that. Lee said not to expect anything until after Christmas."


That's true.However,FPSC x10 has been released and so asking about the update for FPSC is not unreasonable.It is a bit off-topic for this thread.
I don't know when Lee and co. are going to release the next update but I hope it's soon.
I guess if somebody really wants to know when the update is coming they will e-mail Lee and ask him.

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I should probably e-mail Lee with a link to this thread now.



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lol, make the blood darker, see this post http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=119098&b=21&p=0

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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 01:03 Edited at: 4th Dec 2007 01:04
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That's easy to do.

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Quote: "That's true.However,FPSC x10 has been released and so asking about the update for FPSC is not unreasonable.It is a bit off-topic for this thread."
But programing, packaging and error testing will probably take a month minimum, I expect 3 or so.
Quote: "lol, make the blood darker, see this post http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=119098&b=21&p=0"
Get MP 9 or 10, or just download EAI's scorch mod, its free and the new blood is a ton better, not to mention the new bullet-hole decals.
Quote: "I should probably e-mail Lee with a link to this thread now."
Good idea, he is going to have to work hard to satisfy us X9 users
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I sent him an e-mail the day before yesterday; but he's probably swamped with e-mails right now (tried to be as descriptive as possible with the messege header). I also asked him to respond in this thread.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 14:11 Edited at: 4th Dec 2007 14:17
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Quote: "But programing, packaging and error testing will probably take a month minimum, I expect 3 or so."


My understanding was that they were working on x9 as they were working on x10.I am not saying that we expect an update this very second.It's just that there are quite a few people who want to know approximately when the update will be released and what they have done with it.I am one of them.

Edit: Missed keith's post...lol.I have sent Lee a letter as well but given the release of x10 it may be a while before any of us get a response.

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i have gotten the scorch mod and i have mp 10

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Then your set for life, blood wise anyhow. Fred, I would love the updates ETA too, or better yet its release, but sometimes its just not realistic to expect that, especially with programming. Plus I bet the TGC crew are dying to take a break by now.

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Hi people. This isnt exactly relevant but can you buy FPS Creator with cash or does it have to be cheques and stuff? and how do you buy the model packs

Please and Thank you

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Contact Order & Billing Support.Click on the link you will see below the box you type your post in.

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I definitely wish to see Ragdoll Physics integrated into X9.

Im a new user, im young and FPI-dyslexic, i simply dont have the foggiest and cant learn FPI, so copy and paste code snippets please!
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Ragdoll Physics probbably wont be in a general update more like an optional update due to age requirements like X10 so if we ever get it it wont be in a 1.08 update. Maybe the abilaty to accept it will be there but not the feature itself.


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My understanding was that when they released the fabled "major upgrade" for x9 it would have the ragdoll physics (or whatever kind they added) along with some other neat stuff (the promise of better AI).
TGC may not worry about being fussy with x9 since it has already been rated and the alleged update is for x9 instead of x10.
A lot of what they are doing as far as x10 goes is because they are trying to get a good ESRB rating for x10.
This version's already rated so I don't see that being a problem.
But that is just my opinion and I could be wrong.
First we have to actually get some kind of information about the update from TGC and they haven't released any.
I was hoping that since they worked on x10 and x9 at the same time that the update would be released shortly after FPSC x10 was released.For some reason they have not released it nor have they given us any indication of when they will.
So what I understand is that they tell us this update is coming after the release of FPSC x10 and now x10 has been released and there's no news yet.
I know the folks at TGC are extremely busy but some forum members have been waiting on this update/release of a newer source code for quite some time.
Having someone from TGC who knows what's up post and tell us would be nice.

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i agree REBEL!! jk

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Better Multiplayer. I want it more than anything else.

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when you think about it, lots of this stuff can not be acomplished without better framerate

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I may be wrong but would think that updating X9 to accommodate some of the advanced features of X10 may be more problematical than one might hope so it could take a lot of time.

FPSC is a bit of a beast with a lot of headaches and not making those worse could be quite a task.

I doubt FPSC has much importance in line of thought at this very moment and of course TGC folk are likely to want some thing of a rest.

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Uman is right again...

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Well, I just got done going over a response from Lee. He's a bit torn as to either making FPSC more stable (frame-rate, etc.), or bringing in new features. He'd like to hear some responses on that issue in particular, here in this thread (which he does check on now and then). I let him know that I felt a more stable FPSC should take priority over newer items; but let's hear what you guys think.

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Well I think it should be made more stable, but first I think they should just add allys and a couple of other new features.

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You've got to be realistic as well; adding more features will just compound many problems that exist already...making it harder to have a more stable product (and therefore take longer to fix).

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True True, well the only feature I would really care for is for better AI. Ragdolls seem like if they were added would cause many problems. But in the end, it would be best just to make FPSC more stable.

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hmmm... You can get around most bugs in fpsc so I think more features would be better.

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mabey they should add water,swimming and mabey if possible a bloom effect.
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Fix the framerate issues should be first priority. Also a stable segment editor.
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Quote: "hmmm... You can get around most bugs in fpsc so I think more features would be better."

Can you give us the secret of raising the frame-rate and lowering the HUGE size of the executable file? Because those are two of the primary things keeping FPSC from being a viable development tool.



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Stability is it, though that may have to include the addition of the Dark AI. We've all seen that things can be done in FPSC that the application wasn't intended to do. These flips and tricks may not be able to be utilized by the casual client owner without a 10 page tutorial, but my point is, features, in most cases, are not a concern. Sure rag doll would be nice, but that certainly isn't stopping the release of any games. If you need a better death sequence, then animate it. The frame rate at the end of the day, and FPSC's inability to show even the smallest outside section without slow downs (for the most part) is it's chink in the armor.

Many people on this forum can make neat characters or models...Many on this forum can accomplish wonders with what scripting is already available to us. Our concern has to be the frame rate and stability I would believe in most every case.

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Stability over features, there is no use in features if you can enjoy the game because of lag.

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I agree with Locrian, faster framerate is a must before any new features are added.

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Quote: "faster framerate is a must before any new features are added."


Now, im going to be different and say, new features. Why you ask? Well, FPSC runs at a solid 32fps for me, even in huge outdoor scenes with dynamic objects, lighting etc, and it will not budge from that. In my opinion, most of the speed issues have been fixed due to I get a perfectly smooth framerate, and the lack of AI (and other features) are the only thing holding me back. So I say, maybe add a few new features, and optimise the speed at the same time.

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Gotta go with stability.It's nice that one of us appears to have no frame rate issues or issues with stability.That's great...until you make a game only you can play because it only works for you.
You can put FPSC on 6 different pcs and you get six different experiences.What works on one pc may or may not work on another.While we can slide around this when developing the games to a point once they are built there's not a lot a player can do about it.
Better frame rate/less lag seems to be tied into the AI for me.I can get some decent frame rates until I add an enemy or two.Now I know about the work arounds and such but that's the basic fact.
Enemy AI and the way FPSC operates (open up the door and go down a long hallway and you see) and just putting a wall or whatever doesn't always help as there is a leak problem.
I have long wished for a reduction in file sizes...while I have cable internet and can download ridiculously large files at the speed of light some people have dial-up and some don't want to download a megasized game.
I still occassionally get the fun expeience of falling through the terrain.
And...I know this is being nit-picky...but there are two things I would really like...
I would like all of the stuff to be copied into the built game folder when the game is built (while I can go and copy it manually a novice user could have difficulty).
And I would like to have a choice to decide whether to test a game with the built .dbo files or if I want it built by scratch...
An honorable mention would go to making the save level from editor work without it crashing if you remove a segment/entity from the level and there are no more.
But most of this is just my wishful thinking.
Stability.Most assuredly stability.That is what I want.

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Don't put a crap load of entities, hide make it look like there is stuff in the shadows when there isn't. And make rooms smaller. As for smaller file sizes, Compress them A LOT. in a zip, etc.
Quote: "Can you give us the secret of raising the frame-rate and lowering the HUGE size of the executable file? Because those are two of the primary things keeping FPSC from being a viable development tool."


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Compressing them won't size down a full game enough, it just won't. As far as your other recommendation; does that mean no one can make the game they wanted to...when it includes more than one or two enemies, or a well-lit room. C'mon now.



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I have to put about 30 enemies in one room to make it lag, I say add ragdolls and AI, then work on stability, then add new features.

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30 enemies, what are your specs?

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i say AI, then stability but ai for the only feature

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That system is a bit higher end than most.



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Quote: "HUGE size of the executable file"


Half of FPSC.exe is the code for the editor. If lee split it up it would be probably around 2 mb (down from what 12?).

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Quote: "I let him know that I felt a more stable FPSC should take priority over newer items"


Agreed. Stability first. Everyone else has pretty much covered all the reasons why.

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I agree. Stability and the reasons why you dont have it have been the same and the priority the same ever scince FPSC was first developed. It may still be the main priority for FPSC users for some time to come. FPSC may need a major overhaul to achieve it.

Many features are still lacking or very weak too in FPSC.

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