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Digital Awakening
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Posted: 13th Feb 2004 18:53
Rob:
I'm currently looking at your plugin cause I wanna make some tools and the price is good. However I would prefer to pay with PayPal but ShareIT doesn't take it You don't have an account? It's pretty neat even if you don't have a credit card to register with, I have recived royalties from TML on it and bought Nuclear Glory's collision DLL and Sound Matter using it. I still got some bucks to spend

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Posted: 13th Feb 2004 20:09
Hi DG,

I have a PayPal account which you can pay into: me@robert-knight.net

Send me an email afterwards and I'll send your registration details to you.

Cheers


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Posted: 13th Feb 2004 20:54
Been there done that

Not having to code my own GUI and still get something better (not as cool looking though) is a nice thing, saving me a lot of time

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Posted: 15th Feb 2004 01:49
I have made a fully working chat app using Blue GUI:

http://www.dannywartnaby.co.uk/rgt/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=2331

Rob
I have sent you some emails but I guess you're out having fun while I'm home working

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Posted: 15th Feb 2004 17:38
I'd like to pay with paypal to, I'll e-mail you when I've finaly put some money on my account and have it sended over to yours



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Posted: 15th Feb 2004 23:41
ShareIT is far more convenient for my purposes however I understand that some people don't have debit/credit cards.


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Posted: 16th Feb 2004 15:23
Finally found out what is causing the window bug where child windows appear disabled and do not activate until you release the mouse. It seems that they are missing the WS_CHILD window style, however, after adding that window style there is a Kernel32 crash when trying to subclass the window (much head-against-wall bashing ensues).


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Posted: 21st Feb 2004 20:14
Hi Rob, I posted an email to you a while back and another more recently, and haven't received any replys, I'm not blaming you for this, I know many people's email accounts have been screwy recently with worms and all. Did you get them? If not I can resend them or send them via msn if thats better for you. If you did get them and replied, I'm afraid I never recieved the replys - could you send them again?

Thanks man

Great Plug-in by the way (plug plug!)

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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 00:07
Hi Sam,

Sorry, I did read your email. Some of the issues will need changes in the DLL, a couple of which I'm already working on

In summary:

1. Window issue - working on, but "fix" created other issues
2. Deleting explorer gadgets issue - *think* this is fixed
3. I'm afraid I couldn't reproduce the treeview flash issue, could you send me code?
4. Regarding resizing windows, use the align gadget command. This does not work with windows whoose only parent is the DBP window.
5. Regarding usage of DBPro images, yes it can be done, I have managed it, but I need to make it faster and easier for the end user (currently you have to make the image memblock, and pass the pointer, whereas the DLL should really do this)

Regarding the Alt+F4 query, in the code sample I sent you, can you just check that after processing the requested close() message it reads:

enable close
end

rather than

enable close
exit


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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 00:53
Thanks for the reply

1. Cool, its not a major problem, but would be nice if u can
2. Great! This one is starting to become annoying
3. Sure, I'll send you something tomorrow
4. "does not work with windows whoose only parent is the DBP window" - Ahh that would explain where I am going wrong, thanks!
5. Wow, great work, I'd love to see this, I didn't think it would be possible

Alt+F4 thing - I'm afraid I deleted the version - sorry could you send it to me again? I'll try and make an example of the problem with it for you

Thanks for your time, didn't want to sound like I was hassling u, just many ppl aren't recieving emails at the mo so I tht I'd check

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Posted: 22nd Feb 2004 20:36
hey rob, just a bug report:

GET INTERNET FILE

there are 3 bugs

1. the GET INTERNET FILE command without an expression does not exist
2. the link to the command help is incorrect
3. the command help says "GET INTERNET FILE GadgetNR" instead of "GET INTERNET FILE url$, filename$"

just want you know

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Posted: 24th Feb 2004 08:23
Hi Rob. I've noticed lately that whenever I use the commands from Blue, if I run in Debugger mode and enter the Variable Watcher and scroll down through the variables, the program hangs.
Has this happenned to someone else?
Is there any remedy?

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Posted: 24th Feb 2004 16:01
This is one of very few times I'll ever say this, but a strongly suspect that it is one of many bugs in the debugger. Common causes of the variable watcher crashing include:

- Use of arrays
- Use of strings which have not yet been assigned a value
- many other sporadic issues.

@Xanatus

You can tell I was writing the help files at 1AM - will fix.


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Posted: 29th Feb 2004 21:42 Edited at: 1st Mar 2004 12:40
Rob, can you make it so that when you lock a combo box the first item on the list is displayed on startup. At the moment it goes blank and set gadget text won't work when it's locked so I can't force it.

Actually a set selected item command would be good.
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Posted: 1st Mar 2004 22:57
Xtom, "Actually a set selected item command would be good" :

There is one

SELECT ITEM gadgetnumber,itemtobeselected

For example, if your combobox was gadget 20 and youwanted it to select the first option as default, you'd type

SELECT ITEM 20,0

Hope that helps

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Posted: 2nd Mar 2004 01:48
Thanks Kangaroo, i didn't know it existed. It doesn't seem to be documented in help or maybe I'm blind. Anyway that works perfect.
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Posted: 2nd Mar 2004 13:12
Yes, its missing from the docs. (sorry!)


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Posted: 2nd Mar 2004 18:14
np

Hey Rob Hows it all going? I'm sure you're making steady progress Sorry I haven't sent you the example of the flashing thing, something came up and I've been v busy, should clear up soon though and I'll be back on track

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Posted: 6th Mar 2004 13:23 Edited at: 6th Mar 2004 13:28
About half of the changes you requested have been done so far. However because the GUI is largely driven by various libraries, which I do not have source for, I have run into a few walls.

Having looked at where the DLL is now, and where it needs to be, I have decided that some radical changes need to be made - BlueGUI version 2.0.0, the main *planned* differences being:

- Written from scratch in C++ using pure Win32 API, this will make it faster, more flexible, and less prone to bugs.
- Command names will be like this: createGadgetButton rather than CREATE GADGET BUTTON, its easier to read, and easier to type
- The commands and interaction system will be different, rather than using a GadgetID, when you create a gadget, a handle is returned, and you pass that handle to other commands.

eg:

newButton=createGadgetButton("OK")
positionGadget newButton,10,10

This makes life easier as you don't have to worry about what IDs you have used, and you don't have to write extra code just to find unused IDs. It also encourages good programming style, and allows me to keep the memory usage down.

- New drawing commands enabling you to draw on gadgets
- Some missing features / basic gadget types such as toolbars, statusbars etc.
- A visual GUI designer
- The ability to save and load GUI layouts
- A neater parent/child system
- More useful operating system commands

It will still be inexpensive, and version 1.x users will get a free or discounted upgrade. Does this sound OK?
I will endeavour to fix any remaining 1.x issues as well.

I'd like to hear any feedback or comments.


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Posted: 6th Mar 2004 15:31 Edited at: 6th Mar 2004 16:06
sounds good, but does this means I should wait with buying your GUI? or can I get a 12 euro discount for the new upgrade when I buy the current version now?



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Posted: 6th Mar 2004 16:55
sounds excellent!! for all of those improvements, I'd not mind paying a small fee again

the visual designer sounds particularly useful! I currently use the purebasic visual designer to work out my GUIs, but a native editor for BLUE would be fantastic!

Go Go Gadget DBPRO!

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Hi Mussi,

It will be a long time before a new version is released, so it depends what your needs are. I'm still in the research phase.


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ah what the heck, I'll buy it right now , but I do expect a discount for the new vesrion when it's done . I've send the money to your paypal account and I've send you a mail.



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Posted: 7th Mar 2004 10:22
The new features sound good (except the "CreateButtonGadget", I'd rather the "Create Button Gadget", but you could make a poll and see what happens).

About the price, you should take care that though your proggie is cheap, we are buying it all over the world, and what is cheap in UK isn't so in many other places. Furthermore, the ones who are buying it are mainly students and such, with not too much money to spend. In short: I think it would be a nice strategy to offer it for free for the ones who already purchased it.

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Posted: 7th Mar 2004 17:55
yea, I'd like the to have CREATE BUTTON GADGET instead of CREATEBUTTONGADGET to



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Posted: 7th Mar 2004 20:44
Sounds cool. I guess I wouldn't mind paying a small fee (I'd say £3 max) for the upgrade, though free would also be perfectly alright with me . , anyway question...

In edit boxes, how would I go about being able to ONLY enter numeric numbers (0-9), the "-" character and the "." character. I know you can use the # symbol in a mask to get the first two, but I can't see how to make the decimal place symbol allowed aswell (for negative and positive floats).

Also how would I have it so that the edit box always has a number in (0 in my case) when the user tries to delete all the text in the box?

Thanks!

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Yes, those sound like good additions, although the thought of re-writing all my apps is daunting Not a problem though as I'm delaying Quikly Studio Pro and liscensing the technolgy for something else, so a little wait is not too scary a prospect. I have no problem with paying extra, just keep us p to date

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Posted: 8th Mar 2004 11:25 Edited at: 8th Mar 2004 11:26
Hey Rob,

I've been working on my WordTris game, and I thought it would be cool if I could use an HTML file for the Help and About sections. Right now I create a new window with the Explorer object--- I just don't know how to call a local HTML file. I tried using

Quote: "open url 2, "about.html""


But that just gives the page can't be displayed error, even though it's in my project's folder. Any ideas how to get the absolute path to the current project's folder?

Thanks


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Quote: "Any ideas how to get the absolute path to the current project's folder?"


I think its get dir (call right at the start of your program). Until you change the directory using set dir, the current folder is the current project folder.

Quote: "yea, I'd like the to have CREATE BUTTON GADGET instead of CREATEBUTTONGADGET to"


If you put it in caps it looks dodgy, but its really struck me recently how readable Blitz code is compared with DBPro stuff - handle=createButtonGadget("OK") looks more readable than handle = CREATE BUTTON GADGET("OK") to me, but you are welcome to debate it and if users request, I can provide both.


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You could use:

open url 2, get dir$()+"\about.html"

which would work so long as at that point in the program it was in the correct directory

or, for a slightly safer option, make the first line of your program

installeddirectory$=get dir$()

and then use:

open url 2, installeddirectory$+"\about.html"



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Posted: 8th Mar 2004 17:25
Hey rob, you got my mail yet? you haven't replyed yet and I'm so willing to try your dll out .



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Posted: 8th Mar 2004 17:35 Edited at: 8th Mar 2004 18:02
What about my question.. again? Maybe you just didn't have time .

Also I have found scaling groupboxes to 5 along the y axis can make them into lines, but is there an actual gadget that does lines? I've scoured the help files and havent found anything, I'm probably not looking hard enough though . Thanks

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You guys all rule, thanks for the fast help! The About and Help sections run perfectly now


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Hi Hamish,

Quote: " but is there an actual gadget that does lines? I've scoured the help files and havent found anything"


There isn't a "line" gadget (v2 will have a set of drawing commands though), however I suggest that making a label gadget with the border value set to one would be a much easier method.

Can you remind me about the other problem?

Hi Mussi,

Sent your reg email out - Have you received it?


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Quote: "In edit boxes, how would I go about being able to ONLY enter numeric numbers (0-9), the "-" character and the "." character. I know you can use the # symbol in a mask to get the first two, but I can't see how to make the decimal place symbol allowed aswell (for negative and positive floats).

Also how would I have it so that the edit box always has a number in (0 in my case) when the user tries to delete all the text in the box?"


There we go, it was a few posts up from that other post. Thanks.

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Hey RobK!
This is actually the first that I've looked at BlueGUI. I must say that I am very impressed with what I have seen and it is exactly what I am looking for for my next project. I'll probably be buying within the next day or so. Nice work!

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Hi Hamish,

I'm afraid the edit mask can't do that as it doesn't support advanced regular-expression type filtering. Rather its for simple IDs, phone numbers, email addresses etc.

You'll have to check the text when it is changed and revert it back to the previous text if a non-numeric character is entered.


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Thanks Rob, I'll either do that or just leave it, it doesnt appear to cause any techinical problems.

I now have my GUI well under way , the first time I've properly used it since I got it. I'll email you once there is something good to show.

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Quote: "Hi Mussi,

Sent your reg email out - Have you received it?"


yup I did, like it a lot!



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Hey Rob, or anyone for that matter. I can't seem to find a way to check if a combobox gadget is clicked on. The gadget clicked() doesnt seem to detect it. Any ideas or am I doing something wrong?

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Posted: 14th Mar 2004 23:05 Edited at: 14th Mar 2004 23:08
does anyone know how I can get these shortcut key combination to the right of the menu? like I have a menu item named save, and I have a shortcut for it which is shift+s, how can I let shift+s be displayed at the right of the menu item? like:





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Quote: "Hey Rob, or anyone for that matter. I can't seem to find a way to check if a combobox gadget is clicked on. The gadget clicked() doesnt seem to detect it. Any ideas or am I doing something wrong?"


It should work:



Hi Mussi,

Currently the menues plugin doesn't provide access to the menu shortcut property. It can be added in future.

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Quote: "Currently the menues plugin doesn't provide access to the menu shortcut property. It can be added in future."


I beg you _O_ -O- _O_ plz add it



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Posted: 15th Mar 2004 17:50 Edited at: 15th Mar 2004 18:26
I found the problem Rob, when I lock the gadget so the text can't be edited, the gagdet is unresponsive to mouse clicks. So this code doesn't work...



Now that I have that problem fixed, I have another one. The gadget clicked() command only detects when the combobox gadget is clicked to open the list, I need to change the setting when an option is clicked, as at the moment you select an option and it only takes effect the next time you open the combobox. I'm guessing this probably can't be fixed until V2.0 so it probably won't be that hard to write a routine to check if the gadget in question has changed setting.

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Quote: "The gadget clicked() command only detects when the combobox gadget is clicked to open the list, I need to change the setting when an option is clicked, as at the moment you select an option and it only takes effect the next time you open the combobox"


For the time being, just do a call to SELECTED ITEM() each loop and if it has changed since the last call then you know a different item has been selected. You can also probably get notification messages from the combobox using the message commands.

Regarding v2.0, I'm keeping a dev. diary and I will be posting it from time to time. Currently: Buttons,Panels,Labels,Editboxes,Listboxes are in, gadgetClicked() in, event processing is in (like the message commands, but much, much easier to use). drawPoint() in (Gadget equivilent of DOT command. Enables you to set the colour of each pixel on a gadget - useful for custom gadgets, painting tools etc.)

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Posted: 15th Mar 2004 20:43
hey rob, any chance we will be able to use image tabs next to string tabs?



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Posted: 23rd Mar 2004 16:56
Quote: "does anyone know how I can get these shortcut key combination to the right of the menu? like I have a menu item named save, and I have a shortcut for it which is shift+s, how can I let shift+s be displayed at the right of the menu item? like:

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|FILE|BLA|HELP
|open |
|save shift+s|
|exit |"


Try this:-

When u pass the name of the menu Item , you pass the following:-

"Save/tCntr+S" instead of "Save" .. This should give u menu shortcut on the right. Offcourse the Acceleration needs to be allocated ..
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2004 20:34
nah doesn't work, that's how it works in C++ or something right?



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Posted: 24th Mar 2004 03:17 Edited at: 24th Mar 2004 07:14
Yup .. that is way to do it C++ ..
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Posted: 24th Mar 2004 21:25
Hey Rob, this in unrelated to Blue GUI, but similar, about the menus plugin. It seems that in the first main menu that is created ONLY, when using GET MENU ITEM STRING(), it returns the string of the menu item above it. IE. I have this menu as my first menu...



When you click LOAD it returns "NEW", when you click SAVE it returns "LOAD", etc.

Is there any reason for this, or am I going to have to use reference numbers for the file menu, or is there any chance of a quick fix . Thanks.

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