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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Official FPSC Migration Discussion Thread

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Marc Steene
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Pretty much all modern games use a timer based system. The framerate system that FPSC previously used is pretty archaic.


[b]FPSC MIGRATION: http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=142497&b=21
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firelord
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what about x2 size maps like fps creator x10 mod has..would be cool for v1.18
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Le Shorte
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Posted: 14th Aug 2010 00:05
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Quote: "what about x2 size maps like fps creator x10 mod has..would be cool for v1.18 "

Actually, Mystic Mod has 4x map size. It doesn't affect performance at all

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Nbt
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FPSC X9 already lags like a pig if we use all of the map space we have, I would hate to imagine what it would be like at 2x or even 4x

Can't imagine how we would stay under the 1.85GB 32bit mem space limit with a 2/4x map size.

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Quote: "Can't imagine how we would stay under the 1.85GB"

I almost can't stay under that stupid cap right now!

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Nbt
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It's not Lee's fault though Zay, it's a physical 32bit application limit and Lee has made it so we can see the trouble, instead of a crash to debug etc

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Juzi
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Well as an "easy feature", a more zoom control would be nice, meaning that the user can zoom even closer than we are used to now. I know about the right click, but sometimes all you need is just zoom.

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veer
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Quote: "I almost can't stay under that stupid cap right now!"


i am dying to reach that cap...make me fell i like i am doing something wrong
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Sorry, did not mean to set off off a list of requests.

I know priorities like dynamic shadows is important. But yes and I know people keep asking, but water even level based like in X10 would really help with some outdoor in door scenes.

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Nomad Soul
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Quote: "We really need real shadows for chars and objects.
I think we dont need them for the whole scene and universe, but at least for dynamic objects!"


Definately. Just having dynamic shadows for characters and dynamic entities would be fantastic.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2010 15:12 Edited at: 14th Aug 2010 15:16
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A friend of mine recently installed v117 and v118 beta, but is encountering many problems.

He has Windows Vista, 2GbRam, and a Nvidia 7600 gpu. The map editor crashes right after it opens up. He has used the cleaner and dumpmem but no results.

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Uhhh with the 1.85 gig cap, is that per level or for he whole game? If it's for the whole game I may have a problem

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The cap is per level.

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Thank god!

1 level half made and I'm at 1.4.....

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How in the world do you people keep it below 1.8??
I just can't help it,this is driving me crazy!!!

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I placed a huge city and got to 1400mb lol.


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@Abdul: Make sure your friend has Service Pack 1 for Vista installed.

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SP1 isnt installing on his computer. Don't know why.

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Posted: 14th Aug 2010 16:10 Edited at: 14th Aug 2010 16:11
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Sorry for double post.

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Quote: "I placed a huge city and got to 1400mb lol."

How in the....

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mgarand
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Love the new features, although i make a simple room, (4x7) with no entities, and fpsc sais its 5000 polys...



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Nbt
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@ Zay: I only hit 1.3GB for the .fpm I used for my London Pack video mate and that is pretty big(ish)

Maybe lower your LM quality a little bit ?? I find you can still get a pretty good overall look with it set at 25 to be honest.

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Weird Zay. I built one level with FPSC 1.16 and updated to 1.17. FPSC said my level took around 1500mb. Then I updated to 1.18 Beta 1 and now it says it's around 1000mb. The level is highly detailed with no characters though.

Last night when I was working on one level, I put huge amount of entities to one room, thinking that "Oh boy, this will surely lag like hell", but when I tested the game, the framerate was 59. I LOVE this engine

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Well there is a problem in the arena for v117 and v118. Before in the previous versions, when it says "Player is joining" at the bottom left of the game, the player would actually pick the player and join. But when it says that in the new version, it gives them a waiting to join bug even when it says: "player is joining"

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Just out of curiousity, does anyone know what the timer system has HUD animations run at? 30 FPS?

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Quote: "How in the world do you people keep it below 1.8??"


Change some of the stuff in level to dynamic and set isimmobile to 1...

well cut down the amount being lightmapped and should get you under the 1.85 limit...
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@Abdul Ahad
Did you make sure UAC was turned off?

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Have I missed anything major in the last 500 posts?


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if I forget about the upcoming option screen in the main menu... ehh no!

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Posted: 15th Aug 2010 13:23 Edited at: 15th Aug 2010 13:27
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I would think setting entities to dynamic would cause more memory usage, than if they where all static?

Also, who ever is checking out bugs, you might want to look at my thread about missing textures: http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=173942&b=21

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Quote: "I would think setting entities to dynamic would cause more memory usage, than if they where all static?"

No, as dynamic entities do not effect lightmapping and that is the biggest drain on the 32bit 1.85GB mem space.

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@RoxasXIII

Thanks it worked!

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Are anyone else than me having trouble jumping in the new V117 and V118 versions? Jumping as in pressing the space bar.

In my games (even small rooms) jumping only works around a third of the time. The sound plays every time though.

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I can confirm the jump problem. I have no idea why it happens.

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Quote: "I can confirm the jump problem. I have no idea why it happens."


they are fixing this.

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It would be a lot better if jump was not spammed when you held space bar down, you should have to release and press again to jump.

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Quote: "Have I missed anything major in the last 500 posts?"


Yeah you have

Just so you don't have to read all the posts here's a short list of what has happend :

*Lee and hockeykid started releasing beta's of 1.17
*Lee made x9 free for x10 users (Also released the x10 source)
*knxrb started to help them release the updates
*They finished 1.17
*Lee relesaed 1.18 Beta 1

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So given static lightmapping is the biggest drain on FPSC game memory it would make even more sense to get dynamic shadows in the engine so they can be handled by the GPU.

We have fantastic shader and post processing support in the engine now and this just needs to be complemented with dynamic shadows to complete the next gen look.

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I hope the dynamic shadows affect static entities too, it would be cool for animated light effects too like alarms, ant it would look really cool with the light rays shining through mesh, etc.
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Deffereed lighting would be nice... hey im not expecting it, but if you can sqeeze that in that would be... Great, also color grading to get that right effect for your game

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Even tough people think the build game process takes long time, uses too much memory etc I still think its quite awesome how compact it actually is.

As I recall, it took 20 computers a day or two (or maybe more) to compile/build Mirrors Edge...

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Fact is, that games I could test and build with Vanilla 1.16, after upgrading to 1.17 suddenly are running over 2 GB and can't be tested/built anymore.

That's progress.

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Storyteller,strange enough,I experienced that oddity myself...

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Quote: "As I recall, it took 20 computers a day or two (or maybe more) to compile/build Mirrors Edge..."


Yeah compiling isn't the most fastes thing in the world by FPSC is rediculous. I can compile a map in source sdk that is 5x bigger then a FPSC map with twice as many lights in 1/2 the time. So yeah, that would be nice to maybe have a faster lightmap compiling. Other then that it's very quick at compiling.

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Vanilla 1.16: ??????

wait (off topic) what is vanilla 1.16???

I'd have to say........ The Game Creators can make dreams come true.
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Stock FPSC V116.

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oh


will I need vista, and/or direct x 10 to run 1.18 when it is released?

I'd have to say........ The Game Creators can make dreams come true.
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no

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So, when will LOD distance optons be introduced, cuz that would definitely increase speed and performance.
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how do i get the settings screen to show up?

is the PB variables in the beta?

I'd have to say........ The Game Creators can make dreams come true.
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