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Rampage
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Quote: "The migration will come, and people will switch over to it."

A seriously doubt that. This is got everything the migration promises and more ... minus ragdoll and the new physics engine ^.^



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Marc Steene
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The majority of people will as it is an official update (and a free one at that) which is optimized to run on the same specs as the X9 version, unlike this version which costs and requires meatier hardware. People will also go for the migration due to some of the features in this being in it aswell as DarkAI, DarkPhysics, Ragdoll etc.

Of course, DG can just port the code over to the migration source anyway so that's what I believe will happen.

Migration Discussion Thread: http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=142497&b=21
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Dark Goblin
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Quote: "Of course, DG can just port the code over to the migration source anyway so that's what I believe will happen."


i don`t think that i will port it into the migration.
if TGC wants me to do, i will think about.
but i don`t think they need my work for their migration...
we will see

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Dark Goblin
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Posted: 5th Mar 2009 14:47
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sry for doublepost.

now also the Relief Mapping works in FPSC:



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Quote: "The majority of people will as it is an official update (and a free one at that) which is optimized to run on the same specs as the X9 version, unlike this version which costs and requires meatier hardware."


How'd you know an official update would require less 'meatier' hardware, like you say?
Such a migration version is not even in sight and you're just assuming it might require less high-performance hardware like this one.

I noticed a lot of people around here who just say the migration version would be a lot more optimized/high performance. How? I just ask myself, did I miss anything? Is it already released?

Well. Just my opinion regarding unfounded assumptions.


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Posted: 5th Mar 2009 15:22
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what he said ^

we dont know anything about the migration yet and we wont until its released...

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Marc Steene
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OK fine - even if we assume the hardware specifications will be the same, there's still the fact that not a lot of people will be willing to pay the extra money for some new features, especially the hobbyists who use this program for fun.

Lee is attempting to optimize the best he can, by lowering built game file size, the amount of memory used, the HRS bug (which is causing most of the current lag), and he is looking into the characters causing lag.

+ The migration will have a lot more publicity as it will be on the fps creator site

DarkGoblin - The pic looks great, keep it up.

Quote: "but i don`t think they need my work for their migration..."


That isn't what I mesnt. I meant you could re-write this mod into the migration so that more people will use it WITH the migration, in which case i'm certain more people will purchase the mod.

Migration Discussion Thread: http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=142497&b=21
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Posted: 5th Mar 2009 18:30 Edited at: 5th Mar 2009 20:12
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well for that LEe has to release the Migration Source after he has finished it.
And i don`t think this will happen...

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and now tell me if model or not:



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Cyborg ART
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The last one is really nice I bet thats the texture

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Wowee DG.

So is that relief mapping more fps hurting than actually modelling that hole for real?

And my two pence on this migration lark:

The migration is - correct me if I'm wrong - 18+ months away yet? There is no way of knowing how this will play out, maybe someone will release something like AirMod with ragdoll and better physics in that can be integrated easily with this mod... At the moment we have nothing to go on, so I am of the belief that we need to cross the migration road when we come to it.

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Dark Goblin
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no ^^

i have no big framedrop with all the segements mapped with relief mapping!
maybe it looks strange sometimes because you see some errors but if you create good maps and use it good, it works fine ^^

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Demon Air 3D
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Posted: 6th Mar 2009 08:30
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The last one looks brilliant!

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Roger Wilco
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I'm loving the latest two screens! It definetly rivals the graphics quality of STALKER - Clear Sky, which I think is one of the most polished and realistic-ish games in terms of rendering techniques and effects. Great work.

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Marc Steene
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Posted: 6th Mar 2009 17:19
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Looks great, what have you got planned next?

Migration Discussion Thread: http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=142497&b=21
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Demon Air 3D
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Posted: 6th Mar 2009 21:22 Edited at: 7th Mar 2009 11:02
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Seriously that last screen looks like an screenshot from an game like fear 2 or stalker: clear sky (graphic wise)
Maybe particles would be good in this mod

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Posted: 8th Mar 2009 23:38 Edited at: 8th Mar 2009 23:39
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The last 3 screenshots look like a state of the art game engine.

With the progress we've seen in the timescales they've happened this engine will be fully featured before long.

I hope your not intending to license it for $250,000 or something.
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Haven Studios
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Posted: 9th Mar 2009 02:27
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I would switch from X10 to use this and I don't have to worry if my computer can run that any signs of a beta or release over the hill?

(Sorry if this has already been discussed I have not looked)

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Quote: "i have no big framedrop with all the segements mapped with relief mapping!
maybe it looks strange sometimes because you see some errors but if you create good maps and use it good, it works fine ^^
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You know I hate when people say that. I will tell you why to. I guarantee you have something equal to or better than a Geforce 8600. Of course you are not going to have an FPS Drop. Anyone under those cards.. they will.
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I remember when I downloaded EFX, Mine went about 3 fps while other cases went about 400. I have a Geforce 8400. It sucks I know, but I can run Fps Creator X10 better than I can run this. Im not saying this is bad, because its just the opposite. Just be ready for the "your a liar, my framerate is 2!" from everybody who doesnt have an awesome card.


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Marc Steene
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Posted: 9th Mar 2009 09:50
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You should do particles and lens flares next

Migration Discussion Thread: http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=142497&b=21
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Posted: 9th Mar 2009 19:07 Edited at: 9th Mar 2009 19:10
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Ok, I've been giving this some thought and given your mod is now directly comparable with Leadwerks Engine 2, I believe $150 would be a fair asking price for a license. Please can you confirm paypal details so I can purchase the current beta for testing until the official release is available for upgrade?

I would like to make the purchase as soon as possible please as my game is heavily dependant upon this mod.

Thanks
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Posted: 9th Mar 2009 19:11 Edited at: 9th Mar 2009 22:51
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I wouldnt say $150 for a license as that costs more than fpsc itself maybe $60.

EDIT: @Marc Steene, Agreed!

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after watching videos, and looking at pics, this is what my head feels like:

aka, i really, really cannot wait until this is released. I hope its free to try, like the efx mod.

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I think it will be free, but if you want to use it in commercial games you have to buy a license.

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Dark Goblin
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well as i said, we don`t know if there will be a free version of this...

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AzGamer
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I'm lookin' forward to this, but i need to upgrade my PC big time!

I'm runnin these specs:

CPU: 2.8Ghz processor (unsure which brand, maybe AMD)
Video: Nvidia GeForce 5200 FX w/ 128mb mem(yes pretty crappy)
Memory: 1.5 Gb
OS: Windows XP

I'm lucky to be runnin Counter-strike at all!

By the way, it would be a good idea to license this tech to TGC, and have them probably implement it in the migration!

Good Luck! Pics look great!
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Dark Goblin
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well...
we tried to get TGC to sell efxMod, but they just have stopped answering our mails...

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hmmm, well i guess that's their mistake!
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Dark Goblin
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just to show some more screens of things you can do with textures, 4 more screens.
First Relief and than Parallax Mapping used:









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Nevermind TGC selling EFX. This mod has eclipsed EFX and you stand to do very well in sales regardless of distribution channel.

Please can you confirm if my $150 offer for a copy of the beta is agreeable with a view to a free upgrade to the full version once its ready?

I'd like to start getting to grips with the new tech as soon as possible and can make a paypal transaction immediately. Thanks
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@Nomad Soul:

I need to talk with Nighthawk about it.
If there is a way i think he will tell you about via E-Mail.
(if you can give me your mail )

nothing to say about the screens? ^^

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You got SSAO to work ??

Looks very nice man !


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Just saw the new screenshots.

WOW. The parallax and relief mapping on segments is perfect and you have full lighting working with everything too!.

I'm surprised TGC aren't looking to implement some of these features although the reason why is because they have to ensure whatever update they release will still run on the minimum requirements described on the v1.0 box.

This mod is going to be bigger than Torque and any other indie game engine you care to mention.

I'd really like to purchase a license right now even though its still in beta just on what has already been demonstrated. Having to wait 18 months for the migration doesn't seem so bad with this next generation offering.
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as i said, we will talk about it.

for everyone who thinks that the Relief mapping was to strong on all the screens (like some people on the german board ^^), here one screen with a different map:



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Really nice!

Maybe its time to make your own game engine (so that you can fix stuff in the editor etc)

Great work! I liked the last pic since it doesnt overuse the Reliefmapping.

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and something more for you guys:



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Looks pretty good but one thing I don't like about it is that the Orange Light, just magically ends at the stairs.


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it doesn`t end at the stairs, there is a sunlight which is brighter than the orange light....

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Looks stunning, it really does. Can we see some before and after shots of the relief shader, so what it looks like with and without the shader. I'm just interested to see how much of a difference it makes! clearly is a lot lol! Good stuff!

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here the comparison with and without the shader!



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Thanks Dark Goblin, that relief shader is great! nice work

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Well this looks absurdly good. Although in some of the shots on the last page DG it looked as though the relief mapping was just obeying the ambiant light rules rather than being lightmapped from the lights in the level. Is that so or is it just me? (It probably is )

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I really like the shaders, I can already imagine what wide use they'll be of to enhance the environments. You've demonstrated them really well too. Sometimes you see people bragging about high-quality rendering effects with no impressive demonstrations, but these look excellent and really show the power.

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This looks great please continue working on this it is very good. You are very talented!

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no it takes the lights of the level...
the problem was that the highmap was to strong so the relief was to high and no light was able to light it.

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The Parallax Mapping is really great!
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thx

@Nomad Soul:
add me in ICQ or MSN because i need to talk to you about the license!

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Quote: "add me in ICQ or MSN because i need to talk to you about the license!"


I've just added you on my Windows Live Messenger. Thanks for agreeing to discuss this Dark Goblin. Catch you online soon hopefully.
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Tell me how it works out Nomad and Goblin. I am interested in hearing how the negotiations go.

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Looking very nice!
Cant wait for it to be released. Will buy it for sure.

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ooh... i just thought it was parralax

i always hated parallax though because itr always stretches the texture, the relief is great though

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