@ Raven:
"the fact of the matter is your country is making alot of stupid steps recently, i mean they're going against letting the UN in even now ... and British Government is FAR from impressed about this manoeuver. From what i see is a nation finally overstepping thier balance."
- The UN did nothing to help topple the regime of Saddam Hussein, and now they want to step right in and assume control of the formation of the government, something the US has at least said it's not going to do. It's a shame that you Brits don't agree with us on that, but the US was the one that spearheaded the effort with the support of Britain, Spain, Italy, and most of Eastern Europe (at least those were the European countries supporting the 'cause').
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"I hope that you goto war with someone else, finally bite off more than you can chew and the Brits arn't gonna be there to back you up."
- So... tempting... to diss... arrogant Brits... like you (most dont think their countries the best in the world like you)...
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"Don't deserve the support anymore, because it is obvious this is no longer about saving people even to the sympathsisors."
- What's this about then? Oil? Oh,
NO, might we (including your country, your hands are not 'clean') be shedding
BLOOD for
OIL? What an origanal and insightful argument!
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"if you believe that WW2 would've been lost if the US hadn't helped then you're a bigger fool than you're already making out you are."
- I don't ONLY believe that; I believe that Britain CERTAINLY could not have tackled Germany on its own, the Soviets and the British couldn't do it; AND THE AMERICANS AND THE BRITISH COULDN'T DO IT!
It took the efforts of all three nations to bring down Germany, Nazism, and facism.
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"no doubt you'll find some way to be able to say that it was the American's that also gave the Brits the advantage in WW1"
- You forgot to mention the French forces that did a lot of the fighting in WWI alongside the Brits. And, I acknowledge that it was the invention of the tank/land battleship, pioneered by the British, which broke the stalemate on the Western Front and pushed back the Central Powers (Germany, Austro-Hungarian Empire, Ottoman Empire). The Americans just helped to make Germany feel more threatened, but it was the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia that truly made WWI a 'war for democracy', which the Central Powers could not win.
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"you'll spout of something about the colonial wars where the States beat everyone, because they're just so great"
- The US only beat Britain in the 'colonial' wars (assuming you mean the Revolution), and if you try and say we didn't, you're just an idiot, because otherwise, there wouldn't BE a United States, and we wouldn't be having this argument, PAL.
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Q's and A's
Q. "which country has Great actually in thier name?"
A. Great Britain (sounds a bit arrogant, doesn't it?).
Q. "which country own'd 40% of the globe at the turn of the century?"
A. Great Britain (because of the imperialist policies which you accuse the US of having).
Q. "which country developed every single peice of defence technology you use to date (which works!!)?"
A. I honestly don't know, and doubt that you do, since many other things you've said in this discussion/argument/hurling of insults back and forth... have been wrong.
Q. "Which part of the world actually has a true democratic system and actually upholds the very nature of democracy?"
A. Europe, North America, and certain nations in the Far East.
Q. "Which countries in the world have time and time again tried to make the States have a legal conflict with the middle east?"
A. Europe, and it sure as hell hasn't worked, and Iraq is sure as hell the better off for it.
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"it is likely that rising tensions is going to cause a World War, and this time the USA isn't going to be helping the noble fight against the evil dictators."
- The globalization of world economies and governments is bound to happen someday, and I'd say it's better if it happens under the US then any other nation (except maybe Japan).
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"just look in a damn'd mirror"
- Okay, but my mirror's getting a bit worn out from me constantly looking in it, as you keep telling me to.
*Sparky looks in mirror*
Ok, I see me, and the room behind me... nope, no underling of the ruthless tyrant George Dubya...
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"makes me truely sick to know people like you who don't appear to have a single thought in your head which hasn't been scripted by the government!"
- It makes me sick to know that people like you don't appear to have a single thought in their head which hasn't been scripted by the IRAQI PEACE/ANTI-US MOVEMENT.
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You are a thick-headed little man, Raven, who needs to either come up with some GOOD, ORIGINAL arguments, or keep his mouth shut.
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@ KamaKase:
"Better trained!? PAH! The situation in Iraq at the moment is that more Americans have dies, and I think the first UK people to die. Were suprisingly shot by Americans."
- More Americans have died in Iraq because we actually DO stuff involving fighting on the ground, as opposed to you (Brits) just sitting outside one city (Basra) for a week and then moving in after the populace does your job for you.
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"We all know, Americans are arrogant, insolent, fat tubs of fried chicken, who sue at the drop of a hat."
"Not all Americans are like this, so don't think I'm insulting your country, but let me say you're not the first person I've found on the internet who is like yourself."
- These two statements are contradictory (they're opposite of each other)... which one are you gonna stick with?
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That was a long post, and I don't want to feel like I have to do that again...
IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS GOOD, PURE, AND HOLY, PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD O' SATAN!
#@&*(%$()!!!
