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Milkman
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Hey Benjamin, are the messages from the stack read oldest first? I mean, if there were two "position update" packets sent, and the packets were read newest first, the player's position would end up being updated from an older packet last. Thanks in advance, and great dll you've put together here

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I know the above question was directed towads Benjamin, but I'll save him some time by answering. If I'm remembering this right (Benjamin can correct me if I'm wrong), since Multisync uses a stack to store the packets, it would be last-in, first-out. So every time a packet is sent it gets added to the bottom, and when you retrieve a packet it is from the bottom of the stack:



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Posted: 2nd Mar 2006 01:09 Edited at: 2nd Mar 2006 04:52
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thats how i thought it was handled, because that's how the 'stack' works in memory. if the stack in multisync really does work this way, it's a big problem for me. thanks anyways, outSync. still waiting for confirmation on this by Benjamin...

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I host a game and the add the net stack seems to connect but yeah just cant get data flowing.

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Benjamin
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Posted: 2nd Mar 2006 16:01 Edited at: 2nd Mar 2006 16:02
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Quote: " Hey Benjamin, are the messages from the stack read oldest first?"

Oldest first I think.

Quote: "I mean, if there were two "position update" packets sent, and the packets were read newest first, the player's position would end up being updated from an older packet last."

If it is indeed that way, just make sure you are checking for messages once a loop and you'll be alright.

Quote: " I know the above question was directed towads Benjamin, but I'll save him some time by answering."

Hehe thanks, but that's not quite it. The stack-like part is actually the buffer you read data from.

Quote: " I host a game and the add the net stack seems to connect but yeah just cant get data flowing."

Perhaps if you show me the whole code then I might be able to help you further?

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I just have 2 requests:
NET SEND DWORD
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NET SEND BOOLEAN
Other than that it is close to perfection.


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Benjamin
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I can see the point in in dword, but I'm not so sure about boolean as it would essentially take up a byte of space anyway.

Quote: "Other than that it is close to perfection."

Thanks.

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i know this might not be the place for questions but since you the creator ill ask here
i havent been able to get data flowing in the game i think this may have somthing to do with it in making my game i was editing the 2 player example to support multiple players and store their data in arrays when i was unable to send any data i noticed both players in the two player example are sending to player 1 yet it works why is this?

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Firstly, does the 2 player example work alright for you?

Quote: "i noticed both players in the two player example are sending to player 1 yet it works why is this?"

With the server you choose who to send it to, but as a client you don't need to specify a player as it'll go to the server no matter what.

Have a look at the example attached that supports more than 2 players.

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 00:54 Edited at: 22nd Mar 2006 00:55
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first i would like to say thank you for making this wonderful plugin everthing you made works perfectly including the 2 player example and the multiple player example i think ive figured it out now thank you for your help this is a wonderful plugin

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Can i get list of net connections with multisync?

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Benjamin
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2006 21:23 Edited at: 22nd Mar 2006 21:23
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What do you mean by "a list of net connections"?

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think he means like lan/wan like with direct play, which is rather useless if you want a lan game just specify a lan adress.

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Roxas
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Well.. Like in steam or other server browsers

It lists all the servers there whate are hosted..

Like this.. I host game named Lol.. and my friend hosts game named Damn then it listes like this:

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Lol | Players 1/10 | Ip: pla plapal |
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Damn | Players 5/10 | Ip: pla plapal |
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So what i mean is how to get hosted games Ips in the screen..

Or can i even do it?

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No, it hasn't got this functionality. I plan to add it when I code the rewrite, however.

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Ok.. Waiting or do you add it on tempest so i can change multiplayer code?

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how can you even add that? without having your own dedicated server you cant right? unless all the servers are connected to eachother which would be stupid, so code it yourself!

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Quote: " how can you even add that? without having your own dedicated server you cant right?"

You don't necessarily need a dedicated server for it. There are many ways of doing it, a lot of them don't require it.

Quote: " Ok.. Waiting or do you add it on tempest so i can change multiplayer code?"

Yes I do plan to add it to Tempest, but not the free version.

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Wow, ty i plan to buy it (but how =( dont have credit card) lol..

I can make server list other way too but then i need to make main server... =(

It goes like this.. In tempest sure =)

You make main server then players connects there and then you take players IP up when they are hosted own server.. I think that works =/

But this is not good way.. because i have so slow comp and server going to lag.. =(

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Yeah, everyone connects to a main server to either register a game or get a list of games. It doesn't necessarily require a very fast connection. Also, it doesn't have to have a server application specially designed for it, a regular web server that supports PHP and MySQL can be used.

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hi
multisync is cool but i think i have find one bug.

the function net kill player works in case when the client connect only one time to the server with the same application.

but when the same client try to reconnect without restarting the application , you can't kill it.

so we can have :

An application doing :

do
connected = net join(IP$)
sync
loop

and a server with a lot of player that you can't kill. ( you can kill the first net join but not the other ).
the only way to kill them is to restart the host.

I hope you will understand what i means
thx anyway for your great multiplayer dll
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Hello,

I just installed multisync in the plugins-user folder, and added the multisync.ini folder into keywords, but how come none of your examples work? Do you have to use load/call dll(this is my first time to use a dll, so i'm new to these commands )?

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Why can you only host/join once per program run? That's a bit silly, isn't it?


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no

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No, I mean that my programs crash if I attempt to host/join after a Net Finish.


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well that command unloads the dll aswell, did you try net kill?

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Never saw that one, thanx!


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I might have found a bug, my multisync just silently exits after a while, i have no idea why, it appears that the host crashes first, but its not because of my code (i hope), (a bit of the game log):
huh, oh, i just was about to run the program again, and now for the first time, instead of just silently crashing, it gives a runtime error.. "The instruction at "0x7c911e58" referenced memory at "0x00481e44". The memory could not be "read"."

however, if i check the logs now, everything goes fine, but just a fine lines at the end:
theres this weird piece, "IN>¢;D?XbD" i didn't send it, and i think that thats what makes my program crash, somehow, any ideas? maybe a multisync bug?

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I've noticed that the push / pop commands work as a stack and you have to send or recieve all the infomation in reverse order. This can make the code more complicated than it needs to be, which are why there are function and dlls.

Can you fix it and change the order to work as a query? please
thats like the only problem i have with it, otherwise i think its very nice, thanks

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Quote: "maybe a multisync bug?"

Maybe. I'll have a look at the source when I have time.

Quote: "Can you fix it and change the order to work as a query?"

I'll think about it. The only reason why I'm not too keen on that is that everyone will have to change their code if I do. Although to be honest it isn't an awful lot of code they'd have to change..

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if you were more observant you would have noticed i posted some functions that reverse ben`s crap coding, but ill post it again :/



so does that make me better than ben?

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Just a stupid question; I can get an host app to send a message over to another app ('player 1').
It appears that the message is sent, but it never gets received in the other app

I guess it could be that it's set to receive from the wrong player id (allthough I've tried using both 0 as the documents implies, as well as 1, as is used in the attached example sources).

Question: what player number is assigned to the host?

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0... just like the help says

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or 1, 1 works fine here.

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I can connect with several clients but each client works in a diferent "world", as it were. I can't see the other clients cubes when i log in :/


BTW what is the maximum ammount of clients that can connect to the same host with Mustisync?

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Quote: "I can connect with several clients but each client works in a diferent "world", as it were. I can't see the other clients cubes when i log in :/"

You weren't by any chance running the 2 player example were you?

Quote: "BTW what is the maximum ammount of clients that can connect to the same host with Mustisync?"

I have no idea.

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Hey :/ when are you going to start MS2? Becuase in DO iam waiting for that or a fix with buffer size........I have been halted due to need of bigger buffer....


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I'm sure i'm not running the 2 player example. The two player example works fine and I can see the two cubes walking by each other.

The 2+ example works somewhat. The host detects whenever a new player connects but in each of the clients windows I only see the one green cube

Regarding the limit of players then I assume you didn't set a limit. Cool. My MMORPG will benifit from that LOLOL Kidding. don't flame. I'm not making one

One last question. When I set a limit of say 3 players and a fourth one tries to connect the server crashes :/ How can that be prevented? I know I can always set one extra slot and then when a fourth player connects the server returns an error message but is the server supposed to crash when the slots have been exceeded?

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like Oneka, im am equally curious when Multisync 2.0 will come out... and if you havent started it, when will you start it? cause, i would very much like to track its progress

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When i connect,

runs fine,when i see other player FPS drops from 103 to 19...

Why is that?(Internet is freakin fast,Cable)


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Its probably something to do with your coding...


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No,i meant the example.

But i fixed it,its due the fact there where 2 screens active on the same time!


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Im still having crashes, weird thing is, i've put some extra data on my logs now, and apperently -exactly- after having recieved the player's position 60 times, it crashes (tried 3 times). ideas?

i'll look at my coding AGAIN, but there's not much hope from this side.

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try to edit the examples provided,if you use them as base,they work(Atleast at my place)


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yay. it works.

for everyone here who has crashing problems: USE THE STACK!

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very noce
i started to convert a game in multiplayer mode with your dll but i get some problems or bugs :/

-is it possible to check a lot of servers to know if they are online or not?( a try net join and after, net finish but the the program crashes :/)
-sometimes, informations sended are wrong :/ (not only the strings) and i think that this is that which make the program crash when an player higher than 1 join the host :/

can you help me?

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1. Are you useing the stack?
2. Dont use net finish, net join returns 1 or 0, if it returns 0 use net join for the next server.
3. I only get a big packetloss, but after i hugely decreased the sync rate that was less, and i never get wrong data really..

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Hi benjamin I like your plugin but I cant host behind my router using my ip. My local ip is the only way I can host but I cant get anyone to connect to me.

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