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FPSC Classic Product Chat / [LOCKED] Riker 9 FPS Creator Update

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*WHACK!* there, happy?
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Oh mighty Riker 9...I seek questions...here they are...

1.What is the meaning of life?
2.What is the question of life?
3.How many fingers am I holding up?
4.How many fingers am I holding up NOW?
5.Can you GIVE ME MY 3RD PERSON CAMERA!?!****IT!GIVE IT TO ME! GIVE IT TO ME OR I SHALL REFUSE TO WORSHIP YOU AND LIE ROCKING IN THE CORNER OF MY ROOM, AND NEVER EAT TWINKIES AGAIN!!!!

Only joking



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Posted: 9th Feb 2006 02:24 Edited at: 9th Feb 2006 14:37
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It seems to me that there is strong question that Riker9 even exists at all. I havent refuted it, but others have. I have stopped all work on my game and will check the forums for the release of Riker9. In the mean time I am looking into other engines. Notice that I have not bashed anyone or anyhitng, I did not say that I was giving up on FPCS and I did not promote an other software. Im sure that there will be someone that will take it upon themselves to put words in my mouth.

I have been in touch with TGC and they have led me to believe that they have no intent on supporting FPSC themselves.

I now believe that it is going to be up to thier customers to fix thier mistakes. If there is anyone out there that has the know-how please come forward. As of yet there has been alot of talk and nothing produced. Im not saying that the people that say they are working on updates are not doing so. I am saying that there has been talk of some success on certain things and still there is nothing to speak for its self.

Someone please release something. Even an "EXE" with just the save load feature. Anything to let people know there is hope.

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well said mate

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Posted: 9th Feb 2006 02:53 Edited at: 9th Feb 2006 02:56
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Quote: " It seems to me that there is strong question that Riker9 even exists at all."

We have been there dude.
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=69675&b=21

Quote: "I have been in touch with TGC and they have led me to believe that they have no intent on supporting FPSC themselves."


Here is a quote from FPSC web page...

Quote: "3rd February 2006: Development work on FPS Creator Upgrade 1 is currently under-way. FPS Creator Model Pack 2 is also in production and will focus on modern-day scenery and objects."


It would be nice to know what the updates will be, maybe a save/load feature, who knows, time will tell.


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Posted: 9th Feb 2006 13:44 Edited at: 9th Feb 2006 13:45
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There is no need to rush Riker 9, It will be quite useless it seems until Lee posts an updated editor exe that uses 5.9 to make the levels.

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=71338&b=1
This means Riker 9 would have the same problem unless he uses 5.8 to code it. And this may also be what is causing alot of problems for him trying to get things to work.

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Posted: 9th Feb 2006 14:36 Edited at: 9th Feb 2006 14:41
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Quote: "We have been there dude.
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=69675&b=21"


We have been to the discussion but to no productive end. As I have said there will be someone that will put words in my mouth. In this case it is selective quoting. I never said that Riker9 doesnt exist.

Quote: "Quote: "I have been in touch with TGC and they have led me to believe that they have no intent on supporting FPSC themselves."

Here is a quote from FPSC web page...
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I sent an inqueary ticket to TGC and they just closed the inqueary ticket as though it was not important.

The actual ticket can be seen here http://www.thegamecreators.com/?gf=enquiry_track&i=TRKSID0f023db1491304bdb9d6a503e5b1d244

If they had any sense of customer service they would have replied in an attempt to let me know thier intentions. It took them untill Feb 3rd to even start fixing what what should have worked in the first place. I spent alot of money getting software together to make games to make money. I now have 3DS Max8, 3D Canvas Pro, Adobe Photoshop and a brand new faster PC. Granted it was my choice to do all that, but my choice was based on information TGC gave. Now I'm broke and still waiting. TGC doesnt seem sensitive to this at all. It doesnt matter who else cares about my bills and food and rent. It does matter that TGC made me belive something and then pulled the rug out from under me. All that crap about the low cost means nothing. They implied some things and those things arent true. It has been said that people could get DBpro and fix it themselves. Thats crap to. They shouldnt have to fix it themselves. You can say what you want, but the facts are still there. FPSC has been beta tested and released and it is full of mistakes. Not a few but many big ones. All the people that are screaming about how great it is say that they are serious game builders. One has said that they have created and sold a game using FPSC. Thats great more power to you, but the bugs are still there. Not a few but many big ones. If you have the skill to get around the bugs then all is good. Im willing to bet that the game that has been sold is either strictly multiplayer or you cant save the game your playing. It might even just be this tiny little thing that wasnt worth the money. I dont know I would have to see it to know. But it just makes sense to do good business. Good business means being, or at least appearing to be, sensitive about your customers concerns. TGC has made no attempt to ease the anxiety of people in my type of situation. A situation they prompted the creation of by the information they gave. There are thoes that have been with FPSC from the beginning. That does not make them right in saying some of the things that they, and others like them, have said.

Im sure that there will be someone that will take it upon themselves to put words in my mouth, or selectively quote me, to make me seem stupid or that I am wrong. Wit and a smart mouth must not be confused for a valid point. The facts are still there.

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Posted: 9th Feb 2006 21:19
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you bought max 8 and a new computer based on the idea that you were going to make money off of a 50$ peice of software??

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Is that best you can do? Try to make me look silly using the fact that I expected FPSC to do all of what was claimed? I dont feel the slightest bit foolish. I was given infomation and planned accordingly. Should I have not beleived TGC at all. Regardless of the price TGC made claims. The claims are not entirely true. Thats the bottm line. Besides I have been looking into other engines off and on for over a year. I purchased FPSC about 4 months ago. It is only a small part of my over all plan. It is just the one that I picked first, based on the info that TGC gave. If the price dictated the quality then you and everyone else that bought it wasted your time and money to, when you could have baught something else. If you knew it was low quality by looking at the price then when did you buy it? BULLSHOCK 2 you have been one of the more helpful people here. I expected better from you than to pick that one thing to use to try to discredit my statement.

Quote: "All that crap about the low cost means nothing. They implied some things and those things arent true. "

Speaks for itself.

Quote: "The facts are still there.
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Words dont change the facts.

Please read my original post carefully before replying. It will save you time and effort.

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Posted: 9th Feb 2006 22:43
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It is true FPSC doesn't do all it said it would, but it is still worth $50 IMO. Alot of people seem to enjoy it. Just like DBP can't do all it says it can (properly)yet though I still think it is worth $90. I would wait for a few more upgrades before going totally crazy over it.

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My advice.... don't hold your breath until the release of Riker9, you will die in the attempt doing so, but at least your life will not depend on Riker9 anymore

Some do doubt Riker 9 exsist, others do doubt it will ever be released, only the creator of Riker9 can prove us wrong, but I doubt he will. He already started to make excuses why it is taking so long and how he really has no time for it, once people start doing that the project often get's cancelled.

At least we have word from TGC of an update, but again don't hold your breath..... but at least it will come.

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i didnt mean to be rude, and i wasnt trying to discredit your statement.

but just think about what your saying.

all companies exagerate a little to sell there product. i mean, some are obvious, and some are kindof hidden. like would you buy a red bull expecting to fly? probbably not.

max 8 is a very expensive peice of software, especially for the indie gamer.

as to the reason i bought fpsc:
i got an email from TGC saying this new program called FPSc that would let you build your own fps games easily. i laghed when i read that. in my mind i said "yeah right". i didnt even look at the link.
then one day, i was bored.

I downloaded the trial and 10 minutes later i was buying it on the payment page.

fpsc is the most amazing peice of software i have found that does things like this. i have been working on 2 levels of my game since the days of early EA...and with a ton of work arounds i got them how i want them, and in my opinnion, comercial quality. but i would never buy an expensive peice of software such as max 8 relying on something for 50$ from FPSC- thats just common sense. yes it claims that you can make a comercial game, and you can, but it takes a lot of work. the lot of work is time consuming, not neccesarily hard. although max helps a lot when developing in fpsc, you can get the same results with blender or milkshape with a little extra work.

what i want to know3, is what, specifically, it claims to do that you dont think it does.

i dont mean to be aggresive, so please dont take offence.

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Posted: 10th Feb 2006 11:42
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Well said Bullshock.

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If TGC are working on an update and Cellbloc is working on Riker 9, then what kind of update are we expecting from TGC? They are not going to duplicate anything Cellbloc is doing, such as SAVE and LOAD. So maybe once Riker 9 has been completed, TGC will look at it, add any updates they think are necessary that Riker 9 hasn't got and then release that as 'their' update. I could be totally wrong of course.

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i dont think tgc's update is going to work on the engine. i think it will work on the editor, and maybe allow you to select your build system such as riker 9, or FPSC default. and possibly fix more editor bugs.

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Quote: "i didnt mean to be rude, and i wasnt trying to discredit your statement."


BULLSHOCK 2 you have never been rude. In fact I have alot of respect for the way you handle yourself. You also have a way of making your point without being insulting. Your statement just caught me off gaurd and I had to have my post understood.

Quote: "what i want to know3, is what, specifically, it claims to do that you dont think it does.
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I really dont have to make a list. Just browes through the bug posts and read the other complaints on this forum. There are many people that feel the way that I do. You yourself said it:

Quote: "with a ton of work arounds
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Why should we have to work around the issues. Wouldnt it be better if the FPSC website rang 100% true. This isnt just a little hype that they sold me this product on. They simply made statements that were true in word only, not in application. Go to thier site and read it. then tell me if it is totally true or not. It would have been nice if there was a warning about the fact that the program might contain bugs that could interfere with or slow down the building of games. There was nothing of the sort. they offer no real support option except for this forum. That in some instances is a case of the blind leading the blind. TGC should be answering some of these posts, not just one or two but as many as possible. Thats just another way they fall short in the customer service aspect.

Quote: "all companies exagerate a little to sell there product."


An untrue statement is untrue no matter what. The fact that they hid things from me and let me buy the software to find the issues myself is just plain rude and dishonest.

A half finished product and the joke that they call customer service has got me pretty upset.

the very first thing that you see on thier site is
Quote: "Design your own first person shooter games
No coding required!"


It is true only if you buy FPSC just for the fun of working around the bad spots.

Quote: "create a large and complex game without entering a single line of code"


Yes you can but you better not exit the game to do anything else. You cant even save the game your playing to come back to it later. It doesnt matter that it has been said a thousand times. It doesnt matter who is tired of hearing it. It doesnt save and load. Thats huge. No matter how you slice it that should not have been left out. That is a big enough bug to render it all but useless. Just look through these forums and you will see more things wrong than just I can list.

Im sure that there will be someone that will take it upon themselves to put words in my mouth, or selectively quote me, to make me seem stupid or that I am wrong. Wit and a smart mouth must not be confused for a valid point. The facts are still there.

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Posted: 10th Feb 2006 18:59 Edited at: 10th Feb 2006 19:51
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@incense
Quote: "One has said that they have created and sold a game using FPSC. Thats great more power to you, but the bugs are still there. Not a few but many big ones. If you have the skill to get around the bugs then all is good. Im willing to bet that the game that has been sold is either strictly multiplayer or you cant save the game your playing. It might even just be this tiny little thing that wasnt worth the money. I dont know I would have to see it to know."

I agreed not to post in a Riker 9 thread, but this is not about Riker 9 now is it?
Who's is this one person, and which game are you referring to?

If you are talking about me then I want to respond and ask that you talk about me somewhere else.
If not, then I oppolgize for posting in here Cellbloc and I still plan on staying out of here.
I didn't agree to that so your threads could simply bash me without my defense.
So, I hope you understand why I am posting this response to his statement.

My game has nothing to do with Riker9 Incense!

So, if you guys want me to stay out of this thread then don't mention me or mine in it. (even indirectly)
If you were referring to someone's game, then you should have named that game or person.
I have said that I have created and sold a game using FPSC.
So, unless you name someone else, then this is clearly directed at me and we all know it.

So, here's my response Incense, and again, any other discussion about me needs to be out of this thread.
I will reply to each point you mentioned in your above statement.

(1) I am the one. Yes, I had the guts to put mine out there for all the haters to attack me.

(2) Yes I have the power to exploit a bug instead of complaining about it.

(3) My skills improve with every challenge.

(4) It has both single player and multiplayer exes for the one low price.

(5) I wouldn't have designed it for Save/Load even if it were working feature.

(6) It is small like it's price so I can reduce my bandwidth and their download time. Again, ,this would have been the design regardless of any FPSC bug, so that is irrelevant.

(7) Yes you should try it before you voice your negative opinions about something you know nothing about. I understand that you are upset with FPSC, but you don't have to pre-bash my game because of it.


Okay 3d Max man.
I did release my game for only the $50 that FPSC cost.
I can't afford any of those titles or a new computer.
I run on minimum specs and had to download limited free versions of my utilites.
All the models and media in my game either came with FPSC, or I created them.

I expect bad reviews, because negative people are out there.
I never expected someone to review it before they even tried it.

You've invested thousands , so fork out another $5 before you badmouth me.
Again, negative reviews are expected and welcomed, but only if you try it first.

Lastly I will repeat myself once more.
I never disliked Riker9, nor was I ever against it.
It did have two major threads deleted over arguments that involved me.
I wanted to be a part of Riker9 but was shut out because of those deletes.
I am not here to argue any of that. IT IS HISTORY!
KEEP ME AND MINE OUT OF HERE if you want me to stay out.







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Insense... I charge you with conspiracy to lock ANOTHER Riker 9 thread.

Conjured Entertainment, I charge you as a co-conspirator... This is the offical Riker 9 Thread... and keeping the flame alive will only result in it being locked.
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I don’t know what TGC have planed for the update to FPSC, or even a timeline, but I will say this, I feel a bit more confident in the knowledge that an attempt to clean up bugs is under way, how ever, I also pointed out at the beginning, FPSC was written with Dark Basic Pro, DBP has bug issues, so it would make perfect sense to expect FPSC to have bugs as well.
I have to agree that TGC have a very poor record in customer service, you get the feeling that they have a, we got your money so bugger off, attitude, and that is not good business, I have aired my opinion before, and have been told off by Moderators, who just constantly sing the praises of TGC, and reply to your threads with an attitude that is demeaning and rude, this has lead me to believe this forum is no longer a place to seek help, or air you opinion, but a place to be insulted, Directly or Indirectly, and I will probably get banned for writing this, we will have to wait and see.
Well that’s my 10 cents worth for now, as I said before, let’s all try to get on, and maybe this forum will improve, god knows you are a talented bunch, show off your stuff, and try to help the Noobs, we are the only ones they will be able to rely on.


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Merranvo I charge you with being the reason this thread is really going to be locked.... you're just giving the guys enough fuel to start a huge fire. But then again, what's new?

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My Join Date.


Ben A... Why do you rarely post? You are only 2 pages in google
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And we all know how that happened

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Some one really hates me?
Looks at long list...
Uh ho. That guy is in the black market, and he is a 4Hire killer... and they guy is a pro-wresler... and That guy just graduated from the Marine Corps... And that guy is a SF Army Personel... and HE is the president! And that guy is... ME!!!

NOOOOOOO....

(I know I am just space filling, the idea is to change the mood)
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Oh my.

Maybe I should just post what I have and not wait on 5.9 to actually be fixed? I don't want to hear bitching that the Frame Rate Speed isn't faster and that it's still slow. Not my fault.

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I'd say you keep on workin on Riker9. I don't think I've ever posted on this thread, but I've read the entire thing occasionally and, even though there are some people out there who can't handle waiting (no names, no offence), the rest of us can.

In the end it's up to you. I personally would download a version that worked for some things but didn't fix others. I would rather wait for a full working version to base my exe's on because I've got time. Some people might not have time. They might be depending on their FPSC game to pay the next rent or something, but honestly, that's kind of their fault. They own FPSC, they can make a good game with it. It doesn't have to have saving, though it is useful. It doesn't have to have a high framerate, though it is useful.


Now, for people who don't want to read the above paragraphs, basically I said;

I'll wait. Those who don't, will rant and yell at each other, and should go to the flame post near this one.

Thanks for all the work you're doing with FPSC Cellbloc. I appreciated it. Good luck with school and life.

I support you 100%.

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If I were you, I would stop worrying about all these negative posts. I would maybe drop by every now and again and report progress, other than that I would stay in my gave. It's just too depressing when you are trying to do something to help someone to hear others whine and complain.

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If you ahd read my post without a the expectaion of beind attacked you would know that I have not done that.

Quote: "My game has nothing to do with Riker9 Incense!"

I didnt say that it did or even elude to it. Not sure where you would get that.

Quote: "If you are talking about me then I want to respond and ask that you talk about me somewhere else.
If not, then I oppolgize for posting in here Cellbloc and I still plan on staying out of here.
I didn't agree to that so your threads could simply bash me without my defense."

In truth I had no idea who it was that said that they sold a game that they had made in FPSC. I did say to the person that did it "More power to you" I wouldnt call that "Bashing".

Quote: "(1) I am the one. Yes, I had the guts to put mine out there for all the haters to attack me."

I respect the fact that you went out on a limb. More people should do it.

Quote: "(2) Yes I have the power to exploit a bug instead of complaining about it."

Then you are one of the talented few that I mentioned that can do that.

Quote: "(3) My skills improve with every challenge."

Thats great!! You must and should be proud.

Quote: "(4) It has both single player and multiplayer exes for the one low price."

Most exelent!! It must have taken alot of work.

Quote: "(5) I wouldn't have designed it for Save/Load even if it were working feature."

Im sure you have you own reasons for that I wouldnt begin to question them.

Quote: "(6) It is small like it's price so I can reduce my bandwidth and their download time. Again, ,this would have been the design regardless of any FPSC bug, so that is irrelevant."

Viewed that way it makes good sense.

Quote: "(7) Yes you should try it before you voice your negative opinions about something you know nothing about. I understand that you are upset with FPSC, but you don't have to pre-bash my game because of it."

My opinion wasnt negative. I said that I would have to see it to know. At this point I have no opinion of your game. I might like to see it some time.

Quote: "Okay 3d Max man.
I did release my game for only the $50 that FPSC cost.
I can't afford any of those titles or a new computer.
I run on minimum specs and had to download limited free versions of my utilites.
All the models and media in my game either came with FPSC, or I created them."

The fact that you did something on minimal resources say something for you.

Quote: "I expect bad reviews, because negative people are out there.
I never expected someone to review it before they even tried it."

I said "I dont know I would have to see it to know". That means just what it says.

Quote: "You've invested thousands , so fork out another $5 before you badmouth me.
Again, negative reviews are expected and welcomed, but only if you try it first."

I may make a purchase in the future. Im not sure where it is exactly that I badmouthed you.

Quote: "Lastly I will repeat myself once more.
I never disliked Riker9, nor was I ever against it."

I didnt mention you or even elude the fact that you were ever against it.

Quote: "It did have two major threads deleted over arguments that involved me.
I wanted to be a part of Riker9 but was shut out because of those deletes."

It is unfortunate that you had that happen.

Quote: "KEEP ME AND MINE OUT OF HERE if you want me to stay out."

I have no say as to who posts where. In fact I feel that you should post where you like, if people dont like what you have to say then they should just over look what you type. No one is making anyone read these forums. It is a matter of choice. Im one that just doesnt pay alot attention to much of anything that I cant use or I dont see as important or questions that I dont know the answer to.

In short I didnt bash you or your game. I have no misgivings about you at all. Im neither feeling negative or positive about your game or you.

Glad you called your feelings being attacked to my attention so that I could ease your mind on the subject. Hope I have done just that.

Best wishes

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Cellblock is an adult. He doesnt go to school<.< Programmer of Power... Anyway, Cellbloc you might as well just release it, more people bash you every day.

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Quote: ""My game has nothing to do with Riker9 Incense!"

I didnt say that it did or even elude to it. Not sure where you would get that."

I got it from the topic of the thread.
This thread is about Riker9, not about my game.
Get it now?


Quote: "In truth I had no idea who it was that said that they sold a game that they had made in FPSC. I did say to the person that did it "More power to you" I wouldnt call that "Bashing"."

Your comments were negative...that's bashing.
Especially so when (by your own admission) you don't know who you are speaking against.

Quote: "My opinion wasnt negative. I said that I would have to see it to know. At this point I have no opinion of your game. I might like to see it some time."

Wasn't negative??? Remember this?...
Quote: "It might even just be this tiny little thing that wasnt worth the money."

That certainly sounds negative to me, or do you consider that optimistic?


Quote: "It is unfortunate that you had that happen."

I didn't have it happen.
TGC's Mods have the power to delete the threads, not me.

The first was deleted when I was being "naha'ed" after TGC approved Riker9.
I was the victim in that instance...they know it, even if all of you refuse to accept it.

The second was deleted when I was banned after someone spoofed my account.
Again I was the victim.
Again TGC knows this, even if you refuse to accept it.
That is why my Ban was reversed.

I will not argue this anymore!
I am not the reason that those threads were deleted!
I know it, and TGC knows it.
You can beleive what you want, because no one else's opinion matters to me when it comes to their forum.


Quote: "I have no say as to who posts where. "

You do have a say in what you say, and where you say it.
I am asking you for one simple thing. (the same thing I am asking from everyone)
Please, do not mention me or my products in Cellbloc's thread.
Especially if you are speaking negatively.

I offered to stay out of Cellbloc's thread of my own volition.
I choose what I say and where I say it.
I made the offer to stay out of here as a jesture of peace.
To prove that I have no intentions of causing any trouble over Riker9.

I honored my word until now.
Looking back I wish I hadn't have responded to you at all.
I should have just put you on my ignore list.
As you might have noticed, I did not address any of the known instigators.
You however, I do not know.
So, maybe this is a good chance to let all new comers know about the past, so we can have peace.

If you want to attack me, please don't do it here.

There, I even said please.
I have attempted to be honorable here, and I will not post here again until this is forgotten.
Only scoundrels will try to instigate this further.
We know who they are, and I will ignore them.






Post Script
Yeah, I guess the sign is getting old.

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That's right Crow, the old timers remember that debate that lasted two days straight.
They remember what TGC said, and how everyone acted afterwards.
They remember the reason that was stated by the MOD for the lock on the thread.
There are those that know the truth.
The ones who imply that it was my fault when they weren't even a member then, are fueling a forgotten flame.
I am starting to think I know who he is, now that I look at that join date.
That's why I said I wish I hadn't of even responded.
This is a good thing for new comers though, so they won't get tricked into dragging this on forever.

As for me supporting Riker9... it's hard to do when you are not wanted.
Besides, they all think I'm an idiot anyway.
That was Cellbloc's decision to not want me.
My offer to leave respected that decision.
Too late for any of that now.
Like I said...it's history.

Cheers

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CE i got no beef with you think your a decent guy

but what the hell is that thing at the bottom of your post that keep reveling my ip

ps support rikers 9
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I tried to let you know that I had no intention of insulting anyone but you just keep going off. This makes no sense. I dont want you to explain your actions. I will be forced from this point on to not aknowledge you.

Im sorry it has to be that way but you just dont seem to have in you to be civil.

If there is anyone that reads this they should also read the posts above to get the entire story.

Im sure that there will be someone that will take it upon themselves to put words in my mouth, or selectively quote me, to make me seem stupid or that I am wrong. Wit and a smart mouth must not be confused for a valid point. The facts are still there.

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Undercover Steve:

Actually, I do go to school. I'm getting my 2nd BA Degree at the Art Institute Of Atlanta in the Visual and Game Programming plus I work 1 Full Time job and 1 Part Time job.

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wow, 3ds max 8 and ect is a pretty hefty investment.

I dont think TGC would release a high volume selling product with no intentions of supporting it. Most of the teams you see in here are small , even TGC, i would even go as far to say its mainly a family and friends business.

Lee is also working on Darkbasic pro trying to squash some bugs that could also be hindering further development of FPSC.

I know nothing of coding and scripting but i do know it all is very time consuming and not an overnight process.

FPSC so far for the most part has delivered on everything in regards to the non programmer. and they are working dilligantly i am sure on making many features more customizable for the individuals who wish to get into the more nit and grit in the creation of an original FPS.

the riker 9 project is awesome idea, but as i said in another thread this all takes time, far more then 1 month or 6. Plus i am sure the programmer also has real life projects such as family, work and ect that keep him from focusing 24/7 on the ideas. when working on a free project it doesnt necessarily become the center of attention in ones life. Also he is in no way obligated to complete such a project in any given deadline other then his own as his real life allows and permits.

in the meantime, with such heavy investments as insence has made with his software as well as others, no reason a project should be halted. by the time you made all the original models you needed, plus segments, textures and what not...you will find that could take upto a year or more depending on if your an individual or part of a team. Start on the modeling end of your game and by the time your ready to implement everything you will find most of the upgrades requested or desired for the engine just might be out.

as far as FPSC itself, sure there are bugs, i do not know a piece of software out there that hasnt been buggy on release. Every software from photoshop to max, to milkshape and even MMORPG's like WOW is a work in progress and continuously being worked on and improved. Patience is the key.

For the 50 dollars paid, you get quite alot of oomph in the FPSC, altho i am sure your not going to make the next doom 3 with it. the graphics and what not that are default in the package are still quite professionally done.

I am new here and find it disheartenting that this thread meant for constructive discussion and further updates and information of a project has fallen to nothing but a flame war.

Not just any flame war, but a huge collection of posts that consists of "ME ME ME and NOW NOW NOW". I realize everyone has a dream of making a game, fufilling a dream of seeing something they created have a breath of life pumped into it and come alive, an animated vision of ones imagination. but it appears most everyone wants something completly automated. Automated models, automated scripts, sort of like the staples commercials... just press a big red button and easy mode is expected to make your dreams come true in minutes.

and whats worse, is these posts are made with no true appreciation to the time and effort people are making out of thier day to the community without asking for anything in return. Instead they are met with flames and alot of flak.

If waiting for riker 9 is so unbearable, go purchase DBpro, with enhancement packs and boot up the source code and throw in the features yourself. Im sure after being completly bald from the hair pulling you will have a save/load feature by morning if its supposed to be so simple.

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ahhh, I thought you didnt, as it seemed you worked with pro's on games. Big confusion.

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Wow... a umanic post.
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Whatever Incense, because that was the most ironic post I've ever seen.

You attack me without even knowing who I was, but I'm the one who is uncivil?

Dude, please do ignore me. Thanks for the favor.
Do yourself a favor too, drop it before you make yourself look worse.


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Well said.


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Okat guys, back off, or else were likely to see some slaps/temporary bans. Just wanna make sure you guys ar aware of that.
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To ChrisB,
I was aware before you mentioned it. Thanks for your concern. (no sarcasm intended)

To Jikito,
Well said. Your right and I have resumed work on my game. No need to put it off because of bugs. I can do things that arent effected by the bugs.

I try to keep my cool. TGC has upset me. As I said in my original post that seems to have unintentionally insulted someone. There arent just a few little bugs in FPSC. There are alot of big ones. I will also say again that there are so many posts about them that I dont have to make a list. Anyone that wants to know what they are can just look through the forums. Many that say it is a great product have more skill and knowledge than most. Why anyone else would say it is beyond me and many others. It is however a great concept. They should have taken more time on it. I did not in any way ask for an early release of FPSC. Those that did and got what they wanted have no room to complain. I will say it again. I made a purchase based on the information that TGC gave. Should we not buy anything because we beleive that anyone selling anything is not truthful? I or anyone else should not have to fix the things that are wrong with FPCS. I am the customer, not the creator. As far as Riker9 goes. I am not downing Cellbloc Studios for what he is doing. I simply said that there are others that dont beleive he is even doing it. I support him in his efforts. However I dont feel that he shouldnt have to do it either. He is the customer, not the creator. TGC should pay him for his work. He deserves it. I did ask if Cellbloc Studios could just release a version of his project with just the save/load function. He responed in a timely fasion with an informative answer. I didnt push the issue. Not to say that I wouldnt like a version of his project with just the save/load function. If I had that I could wait for the rest.

I really didnt mean to insult anyone.

Im sure that there will be someone that will take it upon themselves to put words in my mouth, or selectively quote me, to make me seem stupid or that I am wrong. Wit and a smart mouth must not be confused for a valid point. The facts are still there.

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incense, I was going to email you, but you don't have your address here, anyway, maybe you might want to look here.
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=71528&b=2
Not sure if this will help you with your project, it is still DBpro, so that helps.


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To Aoneweb

Im not sure how that relates to my issues.

Could you elaborate?

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It does not relate to your issues, it relates to your project, untill the bug fixes are released, I sujested you take another path, and use an alternitive product.
Trying to resolve as many issues as I can.


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I see.

Thanks, but I cannot afford another another peice of software right now.

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Quote: "The ones who imply that it was my fault when they weren't even a member then"


Who implied it was anyones fault?


As for going with DBP, it is easy to program a simple FPS, but as you want more and more, it gets harder and harder. Pretty soon you have a thousand lines of code without out any clue on what works and what doesn't. It is more of what does what and where it needs to go type things... I can't explain it...

So the difference is really time and effort. 1 is more rewarding, 1 is easier and may look better. You decide.

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Is it possible to call an external program in Riker 9 ? Like the story zone but with executables.
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Yes. The cut scene editor is rather nice. It's a script, but it "exits" you out of FPSC for a moment. My only problem that I have it is that it seems to take FOREVER to get back into FPSC once you view the cut scene.

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hehe merranvo, try C or C++ you would combust if you think dbp is hard. Or ASM. I tried ASM for about 2 days, before I became a ghastly shell of what I was... C++ is nice with oo, but it is still hard to manage.

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Hey UNoob, get a brain.

", but as you want more and more, it gets harder and harder."

Disprove this.
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Bad news Cellbloc ... it seems our bug is not considered a bug and will not be fixed. So custom limb culling in DBP is almost completely and utterly useless as it doesn't speed up your program much at all. Nor will it ever on objects with a high number of limbs until this "bug" is fixed.

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=68070&b=15

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Yeah, I read. I'm pretty pissed off about it. So I will just have to suffer with the EXTREMELY low framerate unless I get a wild bug up my ass and write it completely differently (but then again, I will be writing the ENTIRE engine a different way).

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If I understand correctly the consequences of whats being said.

Poor culling and the resultant low fps may not be seen as a bug as far as TGC are concerned and it may well not be so. That assertion does not matter in the slightest to an end user - call it what you want - a bug or an issue - the result is the same. TGC knows that poor fps is the biggest bug bear in the product and saying they wont do anything about it as its not classed as a bug is just whitewashing over the problem with an excuse for not wishing to do anything to help the users on that issue. Its obviously an "issue" then TGC are not prepared to tackle despite the paramount importance of the issue to many users.

Apart from the save/load issue its obviously the biggest drawback for any serious game development with the engine.

It seems then that users will not see an improvement in any update to the only real major issue which renders a high proportion of games made with FPSC unplayable.

If thats the case its no more than I personally expected and its a great shame that the future of the product is likely to be blemished with the burden of low fps speeds which will continue to keep the product in its current low status and position amomngst the indie engines available to game makers and continue the suffering of the large proportion of users experiencing overly poor fps and unacceptable gameplay speeds.

TGC Ask for users opinions, and have bug reports and feature request forums and those are full of people saying what they want is faster fps and gameplay speeds above all else. Thats what the largest number of requests and bug reports have been about ever since I have been attending these forums at their inception. However, having given this view the users are to be told thanks for that but nothing will be done about it.

What about the serious lagg issue in specific locations which is seemingly a separate issue from general low fps overall as it results in serious drops of around half any users average low fps in those areas it affects. Is this not a bug either? I think it is.

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