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Dangerous Dan
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*crickets*

So... hows it going Apex? Any new information you can share? I'm realy anxious to get my hands on this!

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I noticed that there is a DirectX version 10 in beta. Will you be using it for your code or will you be sticking to version 9 (April, 2006)?
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you need vista installed to play with directx10. directx10 doesn't do managed code yet.
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DirectX 10 should be coming out for XP too.

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The component will be dependent on what the current DGSDK supports for C++.

The component itself is finished, but it cannot be demonstrated until I have resolved some security issues. This is paramount to the success of the product.

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So with this .net framework, will we have access to the SDK through all .net languages? Like Delphi.net preferably? Even if you don't support it, perhaps give others access to.

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That will be the general idea, although I am only focusing on the VB.NET language.

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Thanks Paul. Once you get the initial release out, it's something I can look into myself to save you some time.



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I have just purchased dgsdk freeware edition, as I do not wish to sell my games

I am keeping my eye on this thread.. Keep up the good works guys!
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For the love of ... I've no idea why this would not post, but I've had to place my text into a TXT file as an attachment on what I originally was going to post. Forum MODS, can you please look at the attachment and tell me why that text would not post directly.

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I've been experimenting with an encryption library that will allow me to securely manage the use of
the component under NET applications using RSA public-private key encryption. The principle is that the
DGSDK.NET must be able to be used with applications that have not even been obfuscated, yet prevent
unregistered purchasers of the DGSDK.NET from reverse engineering .NET applications. So far,
the RSA 512 and 1024 bit encryption keys are near impossible to crack. So far, the results and experiments
with the encryption system are extremely promising.

Once I have successfully implemented the secure method of software protection for the DGSDK.NET, I will
be releasing full details and information to TGC, and what will happen next.

Paul.
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That was the contents of the file, not sure why you couldnt post that earlier - seems ok to me. Anyway, cheers -CR


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Anyway, it was meant to be a progress report!


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I'm not sure what all this protection is for... is this to keep people from using the .Net port or the original GDK without buying?

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I've been experimenting with an encryption library that will allow me to securely manage the use of
the component under NET applications using RSA public-private key encryption. The principle is that the
DGSDK.NET must be able to be used with applications that have not even been obfuscated, yet prevent
unregistered purchasers of the DGSDK.NET from reverse engineering .NET applications. So far,
the RSA 512 and 1024 bit encryption keys are near impossible to crack. So far, the results and experiments
with the encryption system are extremely promising.

Once I have successfully implemented the secure method of software protection for the DGSDK.NET, I will
be releasing full details and information to TGC, and what will happen next.

Paul.

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Frog, I did that 3 messages ago...

DOUBLE POSTER!


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Ah - you got there before me, then!

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Folks, I've completed the security implementation requirements for the DGSDK.NET kit. There will be some testing going on to ensure that it is full proof, but the hardwork is over!.

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Sweet - nice one APEXnow!

... now if only we got GDK 6.1 before hell freezes over, we'd all be well chuffed.

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As soon as Lee and/or Mike release the latest updates to the DGSDK, I will implement the changes into the .NET version, and this does not take long.

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woohoo!

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LOL, I'll bet CR is turning cart wheels

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I know .NET is not exactly the speediest platform on the planet, I've been using it for a few years with managed directx, just curious what sort of fps are you getting with examples ported over from dbpro?

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@APEXnow Woooooot! Thats great news indeed. I can't wait to get my grubby paws on this!
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Quote: "LOL, I'll bet CR is turning cart wheels "

yes I am quite happy, but to be honest I have been involved in this project since its inception and am privvy to all info and goings on, including version testing, before the forum is Just felt the need for a public "woohoo" as a public show of support to paul.



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Thanks

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@CattleRustler... Dude, Vorlon is lonely!


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Kind of disappointed... I was really hoping there would be mention of the .NET version of the SDK in the newsletter this month. It has been a while since anything has been posted here. Anyone have any news about it?
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roujesky, this is partly my fault. I've sent a last update to Mike about just over a week ago. The only thing that remains so far is to finish some modifications to what is known as the Authentication application. I'll then pass over what I have to Mike. It will be here soon.

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Thanx for the update.
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yeah, technically there should not have been a mention as its not released yet - altho it would be cool if they (tgc) started hyping it a bit

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I think this newsletter was kind of rushed anyway with all thats going on around Rich's house

He even forgot Freddix's Extends DLL. Which I am still waiting for

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I'll be having a new plug-in out soon too

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Quote: "I think this newsletter was kind of rushed anyway with all thats going on around Rich's house"

Yes. I´ll make a note of that. Never have kids if you like sleep and not rushing around.

Need path finding in your games? Have a look at the tutorials on www.telefonica.net/web2/paskyprog/.
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Quote: "Yes. I´ll make a note of that. Never have kids if you like sleep and not rushing around."


Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

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yep...

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I've sent everything so far to Mike, keep eyes peeled

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Wohooo does that mean mike or lee will grace us with their presence soon?

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Paul,

Will this version/wrapper of the SDK require the use of pointers with VB.Net and C#?

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No, not unless you access backbuffers etc, but all the functions basically DBP functions wrapped into nice little classes.

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As I am new to this discussion, and even though this is a question developers hate, I can help to ask: ETA?

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If I may, the package has been submitted to TGC for review - should hear something soon

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Will DarkAI and DarkPhysics work with this NET version of DarkGame SDK?

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Will this work with VS 2005 ? I'm wondering whether I can get around the lack of C progress by using 1.1.1 & .Net 2005.

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It has successfully worked with 2003, 2005 and SharpDev.

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apex dont forget 2005 needs a different compile, remember that issue we had?

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I'll need to test that again mate, been a lot done since last tested with a 2005 app.

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wow... this is good news indeed... great work Apex and CR...

i've been playing around with a 3D engine called 3Impact in VB.net (was using it with c++ prior), just to get the hang of .net environment... currently, i'm writing up a object oriented class lib now for it (based on a wrapper one of the guys did), using vb.net's ability to raise events to give the object the capability to update themselves without being told to do so...

i think you guys are really gonna enjoy the .net stuff with the SDK when you get it... it's gonna increase your productivity 10 fold as compared to the current SDK, or even compared to DBPro...


testing a basic bump mapped gameobject in 3impact with VB.net


... i think i'll do the same sorta thing for the DGSDK when it comes available... the code for a game, using the my framework, should be pretty much the same, whether it be 3Impact or DBGSDK...


now, time to dispell a few myths and urban legends i think i heard pop up above before they get really going...
Quote: " but the whole .NET framework is missing a quick way to get 3D on the screen. "
you obviously haven't heard of 3impact... similar to DGSDK, originally written for c++, same linear procedural coding as straight c... with .net (vb or c#) it's easy to make it entirely OOP...

Quote: "just take a look at devmaster.net and search for .NET engines and you'll know what I mean. "
same thing... read above...

Quote: "Basic and VB programmers will have an easier time with VB.NET"
BASIC coders will be lost with VB.net and won't be able to go too far unless they know, or can pick up the fundamentals of OO programming... VB coders should find the transition relatively painless... c++ coders will now have a chance to be lazy and ignore syntax and memory management, like the rest of us...
Quote: "VB.NET should be great for beginners, although of course"
same thing... read above...

next thing someone will be saying is VB.net can't be fast enough to write games in, better use c# instead...

seriously though... congrats on this development, it's been a looooong time coming...

now, if i can talk Lee into lowering the commercial license cost a tad

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Ok, Mike (at TGC) has all of the latest stuff now, with redist tools, authentication tools, documentation and two samples.

This is a typical screenie of running both samples simultaniously.

Enjoy, and don't drool on the keyboard please

@Red Ocktober, very cool stuff going on there. Definately a lot of potential in the VB.NET department for all really, with all the different systems now becoming available.



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Have you tested it on x64-version of WinXP?

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No, purely because I haven't got a 64bit processor.

[EDIT] Well, I'm assuming I haven't lol

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