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CattleRustler
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zeal, I thought you meant the release of the dgdk.net, obviously you guys mean an update to the sdk itself - my apologies

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Dangerous Dan
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Okie dokie... We now have the 6.2 GDK update. I assume that Apex is slaving away on the updates for .Net even as I type. When you can, give us a little update on where your at and where your heading. I'm starting to get my hopes up again
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You are correct, I'm updating as you read this. Help files are also in progress which will follow a very similiar format to the existing DGDK ones. TGC are working on a couple of things for me also which will lead to the eventual frution of the product.

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I thought it may be prudent to point out that if bug reports are to be reported, can people also make a note of possible missing functions, like Zeal found with SyncMask etc. Because I'm relying on this information to update the DGDK.NET toolkit as well. If a function is missing, I will miss it also.

Tnanks.

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Paul,

Event if this is not the final version of the DGDK do you plan to release a .Net toolkit or are you going to wait for the next version

I am looking forward to have a copy of your toolkit hope we won’t have to wait too long thanks for any answer on this.
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Quote: "Event if this is not the final version of the DGDK"


HAH! This isnt the final version, they just decided to get something in our hands, even though its not perfect. Im sure well see several more updates before its 'finalized'. Look at how many patches dbpro u6 got before it was finishd.

Although, things DO seem to be pretty stable. Aside from the missing commands.

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The toolkit will be released when it's finalized, i.e. help files, and tests. As for the DGDK updates, new patches for the tookit will be released every time the DGDK update has been released.

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DGDK.NET is now built using 1.6.2


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You got it working then!

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Grats! Lots more to do still though, hopefully well be getting a update this week (its so hard to work with this damn fps cap!)

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Posted: 9th Aug 2006 00:12 Edited at: 9th Aug 2006 00:15
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So, when, how much?

Any thoughts to an Early Adopter price? I'd be willing to pay to get my hands on it early, bugs and all.

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Well, only if it works with VS2005. I dont use the older IDE's anymore.
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Will it be possible to mix this with Dark Physics?
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Mike hasn't said much about DP yet - http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=85635&b=30

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Hmmm, thanks for the link but I can't say I'm really any the wiser
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this program is gonig to make me very happy I've been programming in C# for about 3 months now so i'm going to buy this if it comes out by christmas

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one question though will it be out by christmas so my parents can buy it instead of me

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People, I know your all probably wondering what's happening on the DGDK.NET front. I know it's been quiet a bit, but I've been attempting (successfuly might I add) to prove an interface system that allows C++ based plugins (Managed extensions for C++) so that plugins can be written to work alongside the DGDK.NET system. This has been a bit of a mystry, but I've finally managed to acheive a plugin system. The key element here is that the plugin can be written using C++, which if correct, alot of plugins are already written in native for DarkBASIC Professional.

This would allow DBP plugins to hopefully be ported without too much trouble.

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Great!

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Ah cool. Should be able to get the NGC GSDK version plugin working with it then when it is released.

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sweet, and my plugins are already .net so there's no "porting" issue, just copy the classes to my project - or copy those projects and recompile minus the shared bits needed for the converter.

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A question: I don't want to code in C++, will I need to buy DGDK first before buying DGDK.Net? Because if so it would be too pricey (90 € + takes to get the freeware licenses Vs. Truespace3D 150 €). But if you only need DGDK.Net to buy, then show me the "Buy it now" link please because this is absolutely and and it's very

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Posted: 27th Sep 2006 18:49
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Any news on when this is going to be released ?
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I am finishing the documentation which has taken me longer than expected. It is also in beta test via 3 other users. Although so far, issues being brought to my attention, are normally associated with the DGDK, there is just the documentation and plugin support functionality remaining. Plugins are relatively easy to implement now. I will post as soon as the documentation is complete.

Paul.

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ok sweet, I am itching to be able to try it out
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Quote: "Plugins are relatively easy to implement now."


Do you mean to say that TGC plans on releasing some of its plugins for DGDK, .Net or otherwise?

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Quote: "Do you mean to say that TGC plans on releasing some of its plugins for DGDK, .Net or otherwise?"


I can't comment on that because I do not know their plans. But the plugin system is to assure a means of allowing (existing) plugins written in C++ to be usable by .NET applications that use DGDK.NET.

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yeah, or if your a .NET plugin coder like me, who has been doing conversions to make them work in DBP, all that is not necessary for .NET. I can now take any plugin code I have and add it as a class to my dgdk.net project Won't need to do much of that however, since half of my plugin code was to overcome what I saw as shortcommings or oversights in the dbp programming language, which is now a dead issue since the code is .NET and all of the framework is available. The rest of the specialized plugin stuff I have is useful and can simply be added as classes if need be.

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I have recently posted an update to Mike regarding the DGDK.NET toolkit folks. The current status is that the majority of the documentation is now complete except for the tutorials for the Express versions of the development tools, but this is a day's work at the most.

The beta testers have said that the only real problems they encountered, were know problems with the DGDK itself. The actual .NET toolkit appeared to work fine.

Anyway, I will keep you posted, but I really do hope that this is a sign that things are near their conclusion.

Paul.

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Quote: "The beta testers have said that the only real problems they encountered, were know problems with the DGDK itself. The actual .NET toolkit appeared to work fine."


Though I have no immediate need for the .Net version, this is very cool news! As it happens I emailed Lee yesterday grovelling for a DGDK update ... I really hope TGC will do a final push on the (normal) GDK completeness/stability to coincide with the impending release of the .Net version.

Hopefully.

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And what did Lee say to the grovelling.. or even the GSDK update ?

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He was very cordial but simply said he was going to talk to Rick and get back to me/us. I suspect Mike's post on the other thread may be a result of that. Fingers crossed.

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Lets hope so

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I can begin coding games soon then

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The DGDK.NET toolkit is, and will be a successful product for .NET developers. But would it not be cool for you guys and gals to get a feel for how a .NET application is constructed using the toolkit?

The following is a link to a (Macromedia flash) tutorial I've put together detailing the process of creating a simple C# example.

Also, it has now been successfully established in creating GUI based DGDK.NET applications, thanks to the help of a couple of Beta testers (you know who you are lads).

Anyway, enjoy. And yes, I appologise for my British accent.

Note, it has been found that this only appears to work for Internet Explorer. I've not yet figured why it doesn't for Firefox or Netscape. Sorry about that folks.

http://www.apexnow.co.uk/private/tutorial1.htm

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Impressive vid, Paul. That answered a lot of my questions.

Except for the "When will it be available!"
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Quote: "I appologise for my British accent."


Nothing wrong with it my lad...

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Quote: "Except for the "When will it be available!" "

A little birdy told me, tentatively, a day very soon...

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Let's hope it won't take that long

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My work is done.

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Very Cool

Sadly however ... It will be the first of Feb before I buy it more than likely.

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Great job Apex. I am still very much looking forward to this. I hope we hear some official information on timelines soon.
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DD, thanks

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Any news? My Visual Basic 2005 Express is already jumpin' around on my harddisk

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Hi Apex,
Been away from game dev stuff for a while and come back and see this is happening. Something I've been wanting for ages .

Would it be possible using this to create a Form application that displays the 3d window inside part of the form?

Cheers,

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@Hypno Screen, very soon now

@jasuk70, absolutely, infact one of the samples demonstrates this.

Paul.

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Fantastic,

My money is now allocated, just need the buy button

Tyrannt is going to get a well overdue complete re-write.

I was using DBPro to do this but it was clunky and involved lauching a seperate process.



The dagger model was geneated by a DBPro program using a panel in the form to display the image.

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I know this is rather a DGDK topic but: afaik DBPro has some "hidden" commands for physics via ODE. I don't want to use PhysX becaue of the license so it would be very interesting to know if DGDK.net also features the "hidden" physic commands from DBPro...

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The DGDK.NET toolkit uses the same set of functions exposed by the original C++ DGDK toolkit. The ODE plugin for DBP was a separate DLL which added new functions to the language. Although plugin creation is possible with DGDK.NET, the ODE plugin is not supported in this case.

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Oh, that's a pity

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