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Don Malone
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Posted: 25th Dec 2007 20:49 Edited at: 25th Dec 2007 21:05
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I did not go all the way back to the first post so I do not remember who or how many did not receive what was promised. But I also know that TCG is walking a tight rope trying to please consumers and a corporate partner (Nvidia). To bad they seem to be failing due to the same old reasons; at least in regards to the purchasers of their products. Information flow is a trickle at best. Very similar to the improved help files that everyone has been waiting for for how long?

TGC is not in the position (most likely) to purchase and ship two full computer systems. That is why they got a sponsorship for the contest. The problem is a failure in the sponsor. I noticed from a link posted earlier to Nvidia's page in regard to the compo that they never announced the computers make or specs.

What would it take to make everyone satisfied? Would you be willing to accept vouchers even if they were at a reduced level to the unannounced value of the grand prize?

Would it be Nvidia fulfilling their obligation?

I think every body should make their feelings known to Nvidia about how they fulfilled their half completed promises? I just wish we had an email so everyone could send an email to the same person so that the level of displeasure is known. A scatter shot approach is much less effective, we all know this.

I also remember (I think) reading GatorHex's post about sending his entry into the compo. I sure hate that he did not get judged, but I certainly wish that at least his problem could have been cleared up.

If you wish to contact Nvidia, the best I could find was their contact page.
http://www.nvidia.com/page/contact_information.html

Contact info from the press release
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/IO_36911.html
Quote: "
Calling All Budding Developers!

NVIDIA Corporation:

Adam Foat Product PR Manager, UK and Northern Europe
NVIDIA Ltd
afoat@nvidia.com
+44 (0)118 903 3019

Press Relations:

Niki Hutchinson
Liberty Marketing Communications
Tel: +44 (0)20 7751 4444
niki@libertycomms.com"


Corporations do not want bad press. A couple hundred letters stating that the outcome of this mess has made them uncomfortable buying or recommending Nvidia products, in the right hands can help make something happen. I mean anything is better than nothing right?

Just on a side note
I have not entered any compos or have any interest in if this gets resolved or not, and my last video card was an ATI purchased after this mess had already been underway for several months.

[Edit to add more relevant information.]

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Posted: 26th Dec 2007 00:32 Edited at: 26th Dec 2007 05:03
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Not that I'm expecting much but I've sent an email to Adam Foat explaining the situation. I think if NVIDIA cared about this then they would of done something about it a while ago. Still worth a shot if people email him.

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Posted: 26th Dec 2007 02:39
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Good idea - will give it a shot myself later.
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Posted: 27th Dec 2007 01:07 Edited at: 27th Dec 2007 01:09
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Nvidia Boycott List:
1. Keo C
2. Insert Name Here
3. Demons Breath
4. n008 (x10 cards)
5. Benjamin A
6. Robin
7. Slow Programmer
8. Darkcoder
9. SirFire

FPSC X10 Boycott List:
1. Mike Inel
2. Robin
3. Slow Programmer
4. Darkcoder
5. n008
6. Benjamin A

Brussel Sprout Boycott List:
1. Van-B

I added my name to the X10 list also.... but I'm not boycotting Brussel Sprout, I just had for dinner and I love them! I'm also going to contact nVidia tomorrow, good idea!

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Nvidia Boycott List:
1. Keo C
2. Insert Name Here
3. Demons Breath
4. n008 (x10 cards)
5. Benjamin A
6. Robin
7. Slow Programmer
8. Darkcoder
9. SirFire

FPSC X10 Boycott List:
1. Mike Inel
2. Robin
3. Slow Programmer
4. Darkcoder
5. n008
6. Benjamin A

Brussel Sprout Boycott List:
1. Van-B
2. SirFire

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Nvidia Boycott List:
1. Keo C
2. Insert Name Here
3. Demons Breath
4. n008 (x10 cards)
5. Benjamin A
6. Robin
7. Slow Programmer
8. Darkcoder
9. SirFire

FPSC X10 Boycott List:
1. Mike Inel
2. Robin
3. Slow Programmer
4. Darkcoder
5. n008
6. Benjamin A
7. PresFox

Brussel Sprout Boycott List:
1. Van-B
2. SirFire

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Nvidia Boycott List:
1. Keo C
2. Insert Name Here
3. Demons Breath
4. n008 (x10 cards)
5. Benjamin A
6. Robin
7. Slow Programmer
8. Darkcoder
9. SirFire

FPSC X10 Boycott List:
1. Mike Inel
2. Robin
3. Slow Programmer
4. Darkcoder
5. n008
6. Benjamin A
7. PresFox

Brussel Sprout Boycott List:
1. Van-B
2. SirFire
3. Pixelator

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No reply from Adam Foat, can't say I expected anything more than that.

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If I was them; I would not make a quick reply until I had an idea of the emails I would receive and clear the response with his management. The best thing to do is flood them with emails asking about the contest and prizes.

And hope he is still employed by them.

Again, I want people to know I have nothing to gain by emailing or not emailing. I just think this is a good way to at least get a response.

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Perhaps a public protest on their front lawn:

NVIDIA USA CORPORATE OFFICE:
2701 San Tomas Expressway
Santa Clara, CA 95050
Tel: 408-486-2000
Fax: 408-486-2200

England:
2/F, Building 1310
Arlington Business Park
Theale, Reading, Berkshire
RG7 4SA
England
Tel: +44 (118) 903 3000
Fax: +44 (118) 930 5691

other countries here

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I love seeing all of the serje sigs... Theyre cute.
(didn't read all the posts yet, pg 1,14 and 15)
It really sucks to have that happen. sue if you have to, get your prize.

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The systems will be sorted in January. When we're back from CES I will be chasing nvidia who have promised to sort this once and for all.

I am writing this stuck in Chicago airport next to Lee, who for once is not asleep!

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Yay! Nice to see the gears turning again.

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cool.

The boycotting boycott lists list:
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The boycotting boycott lists list:
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The gears turning... Anyone grab some damn oil for them things. They appear to have some issues.

Come on, I can't really blame anyone on the prizes and yet I can. This is insane. Not to mention the voucher which isn't insane, but beyond insanity.

That nothing is being done to at least slightly compensate isn't a good sign of 'listening to the community'. I think the way this is handled is worse PR than if it were compensated with some sort of *ahem*voucher*ahem* right away.


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Quote: "The gears turning... Anyone grab some damn oil for them things. They appear to have some issues."

/Throws oil to tha_rami.
Rami, I think you mean *ahem* */ahem*

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Quote: "nvidia who have promised to sort this once and for all."

I just can't help but not beleive that, though. That was said, what, 3 months ago. Nvidia won't keep it up.


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Quote: "Yay! Nice to see the gears turning again."


I've heard that once to many times. Word of advice to the winners....don't get your hopes up yet.

I'd add my name to the FPSCX10 boycott list, but only because I also have no intention whatsoever to ever buy it.

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Is that an example of Russell's paradox?
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Quote: "I'd add my name to the FPSCX10 boycott list, but only because I also have no intention whatsoever to ever buy it"


OK, earlier on somebody took the mickey in a subtle way, but it obviously didn't work.

You can't boycott something that you had no intention of having any involvement with to start with!

I'm boycotting women's underwear, 'cos I don't wear it anyway. See, it just doesn't work.
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now now, we all know about your crazy fetishes batvink, dont try to hide them.

what were you doing in chicago? why wasnt i invited?

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Quote: "You can't boycott something that you had no intention of having any involvement with to start with!"


The assumption that you need some initial intention is... well, wrong Since boycotting merely means to abstain for the sake of protest, whether you had intention to originally be involved is irrelevant. It would likely carry more meaning if the original intention were there, but it isn't necessary to do so in order to 'qualify' as being a boycott


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Quote: "Is that an example of Russell's paradox? "

Who is this Russell and what business does he have with my paradoxes?


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Quote: "The assumption that you need some initial intention is... well, wrong "


Look up the history of Charles Boycott. You'll see that it refers to things you are directly associated with.

So it still stands, I can't boycott women's underwear.
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Quote: "Look up the history of Charles Boycott. You'll see that it refers to things you are directly associated with.

So it still stands, I can't boycott women's underwear."


I bet not all of us can say that...

Please have mercy and use the search function.
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Quote: "You'll see that it refers to things you are directly associated with."


Look up the actual verb to boycott however, and you'll find it merely implies to abstain for the sake of protest.

"Boycott [v] To abstain, either as an individual or group, from using, buying, or dealing with someone or some organisation as an expression of protest."

Please point out the mention of intention in that.
And yeah, you're right with the story of Charles Boycott, but just because his situation may lend itself to the assumption that intention is required does not == that the word derived from it is exactly the same. Intention is not necessary, but it makes it more meaningful.

q.e.d


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I'd say intention makes it actually meaningful!

A list of people who won't buy FPSCX10 because of the compo prizes is one thing, a list of people who wouldn't buy FPSCX10 anyway is only useful after a bowel movement.


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Quote: "a list of people who wouldn't buy FPSCX10 anyway is only useful after a bowel movement."


I hereby propose a "Quote of the week", and nominate Van's one.

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Quote: "a list of people who wouldn't buy FPSCX10 anyway is only useful after a bowel movement"


And not even that if it was merely posted on this site - but perhaps Van B is more agile than most of us?
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I have it on good word that these prizes will be sorted once my UK contact is back from CES (next week). I have already sent off a reminder email to him and will report back here next week when I know more. I realise the whole thing has taken far too long but TGC have done all they can to ensure NVIDIA deliver on their initial promise. If I ever felt that these prizes would not be coming then I would have told you - I am 99% certain they WILL appear.

I am now not stuck in Chicago! We are back home from CES thank goodness.

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Is NVIDIA planning on making sure the systems are updated (not giving now out-dated video cards, etc.) from what they were a year ago, Rick?

It would be nice to hear NVIDIA's reason for the extreme delay, though I doubt they'll give one.

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Going for a stand next year Rick?

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Quote: "Look up the actual verb to boycott however, and you'll find it merely implies to abstain for the sake of protest. "

But boycotting something you'll never buy anyway isn't actually abstaining. Anyway, who cares?

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indeed, it seems Russell does.


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Quote: "But boycotting something you'll never buy anyway isn't actually abstaining"


Surely that implies religions which forbid the consumption of alcohol (where the person has to abstain from alcohol) expect the person to consume alcohol at some point anyway?


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Quote: "Surely that implies religions who forbid the consumption of alcohol (where the person has to abstain from alcohol) expect the person to consume alcohol at some point anyhow?"

I think I kinda see your point. But still...

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Surely abstain is different from boycott. Abstain means to never do something. Boycott implies that you are doing it for a reward, and you will do whatever once the boycott is lifted.

Abstain is an ideology for personal enhancement. A boycott is a punishment against the creator of the object.


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What you said seemed to imply that abstaining had a different meaning from what I had used it for. Since you were clearly not implying this, what do you actually mean? Why does boycotting without initial intention of using/buying not qualify as abstaining?

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Damn your edit Benjamin!


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Boycotting without initial intention can be considered abstaining.

However, it doesn't act as a punishment to the company, since you wouldn't have purchased from them anyway.

It means absolutely nothing.

It's like saying you're abstaining from smoking simply because you want the tobacco companies to go out of business, when in truth it's for your health. The only reason you don't care if the smoking company goes out of business is because you don't smoke.

If you did smoke and quit because tobacco companies put weird stuff in your cigarettes, it wouldn't be abstaining, it would be a boycott in the hopes that they would offer natural cigarettes.

Abstaining from a company's products for the reason that you don't like that company actually doesn't make much sense. As stated before, you abstain for personal reasons, not as a punishment against a perpetrator.


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However, it doesn't act as a punishment to the company, since you wouldn't have purchased from them anyway.
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You can boycott pre-emptively, in case you did (in the future) consider purchasing from the company; you could then decide not to due to the boycott. Case in point: The McDonald's boycott thread. I doubt everyone would of 100% bought from McDonald's anyhow, but being informed of a boycott means you will actively seek to avoid purchasing from the company involved.


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I think that many people over here threaten to boycott something for personal gain, that they do not personally use or probably even plan to use. Every time I think of boycotts, Jessee Jackson's boycotts are always first thing to mind, and I know in the back of my head that probably a good size chunk of those that boycotted and picketed never used what he was boycotting. They made a stand for power, but not a stand based on what they felt. They boycotted because JJ told them to.

I have read about halfway through Shakedown (by Kenneth Timmerman), and that has tinted my views on his boycotts and tactics.

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With boycotts, just like christmas, it's the thought that counts.

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Not really. If it has no impact on what is being boycotted, nothing will change. If you aren't going to buy an item and you boycott it, how does that affect anything?
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Quote: "If you aren't going to buy an item and you boycott it, how does that affect anything?"

..... If that's the case, then I would like to remove my name on the list... If it's still active/alive that is...

Quote: "Is NVIDIA planning on making sure the systems are updated (not giving now out-dated video cards, etc.) from what they were a year ago, Rick?"

I don't think that will happen... But personally, if they were given out-dated, they'll be quite worthless... (But still usable)

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Girlcott - ... (you get the idea )


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Oooh, time's running out...


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I'm glad to hear Rick's getting this taken care of, it was somewhat disturbing.

Rick, you mentioned TGC at CES; got any pictures? Get to meet Steve Jobs or anything? (Ninja edit: Not sarcasm, I'm just interested to see what kind of a showing TGC made.)
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