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Zay
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Posted: 25th Jun 2010 20:22
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Same here...I spend all my money on the Sony DSC-HX1 Hd camera,but hey !
The money was well spent.
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I own PB and can say while it will increase your overall frame rate, it will not cure the lag cause by the engines handling of map geometry. I also find Fenix gives better frame rates than even PB and that is the same in regards to the above cause of lag.

Plus I find vanilla v1.16 while having lower capped frame rates than the above two mods actually feels smoother over-all even at lower fps.

I will just beg to differ, as everyone has different experiences with difference things

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Jaeg
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Sadly I don't think the lag can be improved much. It's partially because of it being written in DBP and there really isn't a magic cure for it. The best you can do is try to hide it which they are trying to do with timer based animation. I think

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Marc Steene
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Posted: 26th Jun 2010 19:05
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UPDATE 26/06/2010 (About time, too)

AI Factions have been added to the engine (maximum of 8 for ally, neutral, and enemy), allowing for complicated relationships between characters.


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Posted: 26th Jun 2010 19:30
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*sniff* AI allies.... *sniff*....its all i ever wanted......

It's great to hear progress aswell

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Soviet176
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Quote: "AI Factions have been added to the engine (maximum of 8 for ally, neutral, and enemy), allowing for complicated relationships between characters."


So wait, you can only have a max of 8 allies and 8 enemies?

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Posted: 26th Jun 2010 20:21
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No...there can be 8 different factions in each of the allies, neutral, and enemy teams. This means one faction which is your ally could be enemies with one of your allies etc. so complicated teams can be set up. At least, that's how I think it works anyway.


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Posted: 26th Jun 2010 20:24
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Quote: "No...there can be 8 different factions in each of the allies, neutral, and enemy teams. This means one faction which is your ally could be enemies with one of your allies etc. so complicated teams can be set up. At least, that's how I think it works anyway.
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Now that, is just awesome. I would love to see that, you will have to excuse my English. :/

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Le Shorte
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Posted: 26th Jun 2010 20:35
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Now that, is just awesome. I would love to see that, you will have to excuse my English. :/"


Nothing wrong with that English, Soviet! Wow, those AI combos are fantastic. Cannot wait. Literally.

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Juzi
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Posted: 26th Jun 2010 21:14
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If they keep updating FPSC after this 1.17, it may achieve the same level as Leadwerks currently is, except maybe much, much less performance sucker.

I just can't wait for this update to come! My projects are basically frozen before I get my hands on this. That's the main reason why I haven't been very active on the forums recently also.

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Quote: " (maximum of 8 for ally, neutral, and enemy)"


Its max of 20 for ally, 20 for neutral, and 20 for enemy PER TEAM

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Soviet176
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Posted: 26th Jun 2010 22:48
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Quote: "PER TEAM"


Meaning factions right? or all together?

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Posted: 27th Jun 2010 00:03
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Quote: "Meaning factions right? or all together?"


Meaning each team can have up to 20 other teams as their allies, 20 other teams as their enemies, and 20 other teams as a neutral figure.

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Nbt
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Posted: 27th Jun 2010 02:14
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Now this is excellent news and certainly something that was lacking.
Welldone peeps ^_^

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Posted: 27th Jun 2010 03:18
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Now all we need to do is fully incorporate this into multiplayer I'm joking, but it would be cool if we could.

Too much to do with too little time.
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Posted: 27th Jun 2010 04:32
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Quote: " Now all we need to do is fully incorporate this into multiplayer I'm joking, but it would be cool if we could."


I am all the way with you on that, I hope that lee does work on multi-player

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Posted: 27th Jun 2010 12:00
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One feature I'd like to see is for all sounds to pause when the game is paused.


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Quote: "One feature I'd like to see is for all sounds to pause when the game is paused.
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good one!

like i mentioned 1000 times , i would like to see a stable fpsc version.



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Zay
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Posted: 27th Jun 2010 12:44 Edited at: 27th Jun 2010 12:45
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You know what I would really like,that the sound would fade out when you go away.Know what I mean?
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Posted: 27th Jun 2010 13:21
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Yes... Having to set up numerous sound zones so I don't hear a fire from all the over the other side of the level is a hassle.

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Posted: 27th Jun 2010 22:33
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What we need for that, is Dynamic sound.

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Posted: 27th Jun 2010 23:37 Edited at: 27th Jun 2010 23:47
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It would be cool for the sound zones to be placed like a light entity, so that you could set the range with the [ and] keys.

I also think there should be dynamic shadows for enities, so when you place a dynamic light it casts a shadow, and if you place a dynamic entity that is animated or something then the shadows move with the animations. Movable lights would be cool too. It would just be great to have a big rotating machine or something and have dynamic shadows realisticly fall whel it rotates etc. Think like doom 3's shadows.
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Bugsy
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Posted: 27th Jun 2010 23:57
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are there any AI "it's complicated" 's?
what about AI fairwether friends?

we're leaving out some important AI options here

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Posted: 28th Jun 2010 00:05
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Quote: "what about AI fairwether friends? "


We already know we're getting DarkAI in v1.17, which will vastly improve the current AI system.


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Posted: 28th Jun 2010 00:21
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oh I know, but what good is darkAI if we can't have AI that will casually wave at neighboring factions while tending to the lawn, but then talk bad about them behind their backs?

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Speaking of sounds, I personally think there should be a couple options for sounds. They would be "SoundStrength" and "SoundRange". Strength would relate to how wide and how loud a sound would be, while range would set the drop-off interval for sounds at a distance, so sounds with low strength can only be heard from a rather close distance, whereas sounds with a high strength can be heard from far away.


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Speak of the devil! I was just going to suggest a working soundzone that properly fades as the player moves away.

It works for sprites, so it would be cool to have that option to attach a sound to an entity too.

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Posted: 28th Jun 2010 02:06
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I have done it with the stock generator entity and it works, but the sound takes a long time to fade away as you walk away from it
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Posted: 28th Jun 2010 02:44
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I've done this before with progressively quieter sounds triggered by sound zones.

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still it would be nice to have a working soundzone that fades realistically... like plystire and many others have said sounds are one of the most important parts of a good game.
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Everyone says "Buy project blue or download Fenix Mod" to fix the lag issues...shouldn't the stock engine be stable without having to pay for an extra mod?

I think scripting commands for cutscenes would be awesome. Though that'd be more of a v1.18 wish than migration xD

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I still don't believe "Engine Mods" are the answer to lag, as for me at least it's the handling of segments that causes the worst lag spikes along with other onscreen anomalies.

All is fine with Signs style boring flat square room segments, but as soon as you begin to add shape and detail via segments all begins to go wrong

I don't so much believe it's all down to the engine, but more that we (well me at least) just don't know fully what is and is not allowed regarding segments (and more) as there just is not enough documentation on the engine.

I really do believe FPSc has been out long enough to warrant some in depth documentation on the do's and don'ts along with explanations of all the settings in the setup.ini and .fps/.fpe etc files.

The poke and hope approach is fine in the short term, but only causes problems in the long run.

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Quote: "I still don't believe "Engine Mods" are the answer to lag"
Me too and it think the best way to prevent lag is to buy a better pc!
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@Nbt - well put sir
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Posted: 28th Jun 2010 18:52 Edited at: 28th Jun 2010 18:54
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Quote: "Speak of the devil! I was just going to suggest a working soundzone that properly fades as the player moves away."

Yeah, I always wondered about the following:
When I set an entity (p.e. a fire decal) to "Always Active" = "No" then why can I hear the sound of it even if the object is several segments, a height level and 3 corners away?

I thought, the "Always Active" condition is supposed to turn the enity completely on and off according to the range the player is away or able to see the enity...

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You know what would also be good is instead of those flat billboard muzzle flashes we could use a particle effect to create more realistic gunfire. you could have it on flak too for like a plasma shot or fire on a roket launcher,
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Quote: "You know what would also be good is instead of those flat billboard muzzle flashes we could use a particle effect to create more realistic gunfire. you could have it on flak too for like a plasma shot or fire on a roket launcher, "


I nominate this idea for addition :3 by riot if need be >:3

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yeah! lol
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Well particle effects have been added. If we can some how make the work as muzzle flashes, that'd be great.

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Just a quick summary of the latest updates:

-Healthgreater=X condition added
-Entity Timers will be in the new update (using the same Project Blue commands)
-hasweapon=X condition added to detect the presence of a weapon


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Quote: "-Entity Timers will be in the new update (using the same Project Blue commands)"


First thing I ever added to the engine was the entity timers. I used the Project Blue syntax since it seemed most appropriate.

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Project Blue can't take all of the credit for entity timers. They were first conceived (I believe) in empty's mod, long long ago. The command names are even the same.


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empty's mod?
Never heard of it.
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Quote: "empty's mod?"


AFAIK it was the first ever mod for FPSC.

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I studied the google code and....the prlfacing condition is not included in the latest 1.16 FPSC it seems. At least it didn't work for me.

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Its been a while since we had any updates. Any progress guys?

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i hoping for beta release in this month
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Has it been said that the beta will be released this month, or are you hoping that it would, veer?

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Read the newsletter for the latest information. Basically Lee said that work is still be done and we will have to wait a while longer for a beta.


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still have to wait for an public beta
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