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Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 11th Apr 2015 08:40
plz help guyz. looking for next page of posting competition to post on becuz this one is to full.

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Posted: 11th Apr 2015 16:28
Quote: "this one is to full."


I know it's intentional but I can feel little tiny claws digging into my brain

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Someone who's not Australian, tell me (without Googling!) what fairy bread is!

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Posted: 11th Apr 2015 16:32
Bread made out of fairy dust, obviously

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Posted: 11th Apr 2015 16:55
I'm not Australian, but have lived here for ten years. Am I allowed to answer? I know the answer... I've tried it, it's disgusting
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Posted: 12th Apr 2015 00:49
btw guyz i got page. so i am better than u all. so hush up and stop trying to get page won't work. losers.

Ah deary. The ways I entertain myself.

Fair bread, if I recall, is a bread made largely from sugar and egg whites. It's light and sweet. I think.

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Quote: " I think."

You are incorrect. Quite incorrect.

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Posted: 12th Apr 2015 02:28
Quote: "Am I allowed to answer? I know the answer... I've tried it, it's disgusting"


Go on, then

I don't mind fairy bread, but it's more of a children's treat.

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Posted: 12th Apr 2015 03:43
Bread and butter covered in hundreds and thousands... every year one of the kids in my class brings some in to the end of year party. The kids eat it, get high on sugar and that's always fun!
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Posted: 12th Apr 2015 07:14 Edited at: 12th Apr 2015 07:52
Right, I was thinking of angle food. Fairy bread is similar enough in name eh? Sounds gross, especially if the butter is salted. Is salted butter the norm there in Europe/Australia? Definitely is here in the heavy ol States.

Quote: "hundreds and thousands"
Are those sprinkles?

Quote: "every year one of the kids in my class brings some in to the end of year party. The kids eat it, get high on sugar and that's always fun!"
Random question: what subject(s) do you teach, and what grade(s) of students?

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Posted: 12th Apr 2015 10:21
Quote: "Right, I was thinking of angle food."


Angle food? Is that what engineers eat?

Quote: "Sounds gross, especially if the butter is salted."


It's not that bad. If you like butter on your bread it's quite nice, but I rarely butter my bread except when I'm having freshly-cooked homemade bread or buns I used to have butter with my vegemite, but now I prefer promite with no butter.

It's normal in Australia (don't know about anywhere else) to have butter with nearly everything you put on bread; ham, vegemite, promite, cheese, any veges, jam, etc. Mum and Dad decided when they got married that they wouldn't bring us up with butter on everything because it's not overly healthy, so when I go to Nan's and she serves lunch, we have to explicitly ask for no butter on our ham sandwiches - butter and ham is disgusting!

Quote: "Is salted butter the norm there in Europe/Australia?"


Yep, unsalted butter is weird.

Incidentally, what's a standard block of butter size for you? Over here it's 250g (or 500g for the double blocks).

There we go, the red one on the right is what the butter we buy looks like. From a quick google:



Quote: "Are those sprinkles?"


Yes.

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Posted: 12th Apr 2015 11:32 Edited at: 12th Apr 2015 11:57
Haven't talked in a while. I gave up being a brony and furry and found paintings, short films, comic books, exercising and photography. A long while back I gave up being a goth kid and wanted to change into being a sophisticated adult. Started tucking my shirts in as well. How is it going for you guys?

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Posted: 12th Apr 2015 14:21
I teach primary school. So I can have any class from prep (5- 6 years old) to year 6 (11 - 12 years old). This year I have a year 3 class. I teac: English, maths, science, history, geography, visual arts and health. I'm lucky at our school we have specialist pe and music teachers.
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Posted: 12th Apr 2015 17:25
Quote: "Yep, unsalted butter is weird."


We use it all the time for cooking.
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Posted: 12th Apr 2015 17:52 Edited at: 12th Apr 2015 18:16
Quote: "Yep, unsalted butter is weird."


Salted butter? What good is that for? Do you even know what seasoning is?

Have fun with your high blood pressure I guess.

Quote: "Is salted butter the norm there in Europe/Australia"


Definitely not the norm in Europe. Only Americans could possibly invent something that lazy.



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Posted: 12th Apr 2015 18:22
Quote: "Salted butter? What good is that for?"


For spreading.

Quote: "Have fun with your high blood pressure I guess."


Have fun with your paranoia.
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Just set up Arch Linux on my machine. It wasn't too hard, just time consuming. DE is KDE running Plasma 5 and I'm using the open-source AMD drivers.

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Posted: 12th Apr 2015 22:22 Edited at: 12th Apr 2015 22:25
Okay, I did some research. Apparently the salt in the butter can act as a preservative. That was the thought process behind adding salt to butter. Not as stupid as I thought it would be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter#Types

Normal butter will last 1-2 months in the fridge after being opened, whereas salted butter can last up to 4-6 months after opened.

My friend told me it's an abomination to all things butter and tastes like crap. Considering that I trust his judgement and America doesn't really have that good of a reputation when it comes to tasty food, I conclude that salt in butter is a silly invention.

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I have points. My terminal screenshot is somewhere in the past.

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Posted: 13th Apr 2015 05:34
Quote: "English, maths, science, history, geography, visual arts and health"
Wow! Many subjects for one teacher. I suppose that is normal for a prep (which we call elementary here) school. High schools here, and I am guessing there too, only have each teacher work on one or two subjects at a time.

Quote: "Salted butter?"
Yes, sadly.

Quote: "What good is that for?"
Raising blood pressure, of course!

Quote: "Do you even know what seasoning is?"
No, not really.

Quote: "Have fun with your high blood pressure I guess."
Oh we do, for sure.

Quote: "Only Americans could possibly invent something that lazy."
+1

Quote: "Apparently the salt in the butter can act as a preservative. That was the thought process behind adding salt to butter. Not as stupid as I thought it would be."
True! But in modern times, it's not really necessary to preserve butter that long.

Quote: "My friend told me it's an abomination to all things butter and tastes like crap."
It does! My family gets sweet cream butter, salted. The sweet cream part really is the final blow.

Quote: "America doesn't really have that good of a reputation when it comes to tasty food"
Anybody who enjoys far excess amounts of fat, salt, sugar, deep fried stuff, etc would disagree with you. But me, along with the rest of the world, definitely would agree with you. I mean I love all the big American food restaurant chains we have here (Chili's, Applebee's, Red Robin's, etc), but lots of American food habits aren't that great.

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Posted: 13th Apr 2015 05:45 Edited at: 13th Apr 2015 05:46
Quote: "Anybody who enjoys far excess amounts of fat, salt, sugar, deep fried stuff, etc would disagree with you. But me, along with the rest of the world, definitely would agree with you. I mean I love all the big American food restaurant chains we have here (Chili's, Applebee's, Red Robin's, etc), but lots of American food habits aren't that great."


On that note, I was actually surprised by the food selection in McDonald's in Washington DC. Next to all of the deep fried chocolate muffins with ice cream on top, they had quite a wide selection of healthy burgers with rustic buns and fresh vegetables (and I mean fresh). The burger I ordered was way better than anything I've seen in European McDonald's - health-wise and taste-wise.

I'm not sure if all McDonald's in the US are like that, I only visited McDonald's once while I was there.

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That's probably one of their specialty stores. They have some healthy stuff in the ones by me, but not fresh vegetables like what you're describing.

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Quote: "I teach primary school. So I can have any class from prep (5- 6 years old) to year 6 (11 - 12 years old). This year I have a year 3 class. I teac: English, maths, science, history, geography, visual arts and health. I'm lucky at our school we have specialist pe and music teachers."


Is it stressful being the teacher? Have you tried giving them small pieces of candy to help motivate them to work harder?

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Quote: "Is it stressful being the teacher? Have you tried giving them small pieces of candy to help motivate them to work harder?"

Because if anything makes dealing with a large group of small children less stressful it's sugar.

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Long distance relationships.

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Quote: "Because if anything makes dealing with a large group of small children less stressful it's sugar."
I remember the good ol days of fifth grade. Our teacher was this pretty old guy, but really funny and everyone (including some of our own parents who also had him as a teacher) loved him. He would always give out candy! Oh good times.

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Quote: "Is it stressful being the teacher? Have you tried giving them small pieces of candy to help motivate them to work harder?
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There are times when it can be incredibly stressful. Then, there are times when it's fantastic. Like any job. Although, I can say there is never a single day when I could say I'm bored...

No, I don't give out treats as motivation. I motivate them to work harder by being amazing...
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paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaants

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Did my taxes yesterday. It was such a pain in the butt. Working two jobs last year actually screwed me over more than it helped, at least in terms of getting a large refund.

But, because I had work-provided health insurance and 401k retirement plan, I got a bonus credit of $33.00, which sure is nice! I wasn't hit with that pesky "fee" for not having health coverage either.

I did it all with TurboTax, I really don't know I could have done it any other way. I tried filling out the 1040EZ form like I have since I was a teenager but with all the different stuff I had happen last year it just wouldn't have worked.

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Hai guys. After several years of being gone, just wanted to throw somewhere that I picked up AGK2 the other day, and I am here for more fun.

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We replaced our Linux on our NAS with Windows 8. A thousand times better! Can't believe we thought Linux was a good idea.

In other news, I learned to pick locks today with hair pins. Surprisingly easy and you can do it to the vast majority of locks



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Posted: 16th Apr 2015 07:53 Edited at: 16th Apr 2015 07:53
Ah!!!!! That is pretty neat. So it seems that inherent imperfections in all locks are what makes this possible -- so merely manufacturing a lock with much greater precision would make this type of picking much more difficult. I wonder about putting a little rubber O ring around each pin, creating a tighter fit and more friction, perhaps, to make a lock harder to pick.

I don't plan on picking any locks, but this video is really neat.

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Posted: 16th Apr 2015 08:39 Edited at: 16th Apr 2015 16:06
Quote: "so merely manufacturing a lock with much greater precision would make this type of picking much more difficult."


Yes, but the level of precision required would be cost-prohibitive because even the tiniest of imperfections would allow an experienced lock-picker to pick the lock.

Quote: "I wonder about putting a little rubber O ring around each pin, creating a tighter fit and more friction, perhaps, to make a lock harder to pick."


It would either make the key difficult to insert or make the lock stick.

Quote: "I don't plan on picking any locks"


It's a useful, practical and legal skill to have. My brother and I picked all the locks we could find around our house including both front doors, our bus door, the driver's door on our '85 Holden Barina (in about 3 seconds flat)... even the fuel cap on our VW Golf.

Imagine you locked you house keys inside. Instead of calling a locksmith and waiting around for ages (not to mention the embarrassment), you pull out your wallet, get the specially-shaped hair pins you kept in there (because you're a smart guy and think ahead - although obviously not that smart because you just locked your keys inside) and within 5 minutes pick your own front door lock.

If you have an older car (more modern cars are likely to have car alarms and engine immobilisation) and you lock your car keys inside, you don't have stress - just get out your hairpins and pick the lock.

There's nothing illegal whatsoever about lock picking as long as you don't pick someone else's locks without their permission. They even have lock picking contests to see who can pick a lock fastest.

And that's not to mention how cool it is to be able to say you can pick locks...

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Quote: "We replaced our Linux on our NAS with Windows 8. A thousand times better! Can't believe we thought Linux was a good idea."


What were the issues you had with linux. I can understand prefering windows on a computer which you use daily but my experience is that linux is a lot better for server stuff

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Quote: "I can understand prefering windows on a computer which you use daily but my experience is that linux is a lot better for server stuff"


Everyone says that but it was just horrible to use. The ridiculous hoops we had to jump through to even attempt to install basic Nvidia graphics drivers was the final straw (after hours of trying we still couldn't get the drivers working).

Windows just does everything better. After all the days of fussing about trying to get Linux to do what we wanted, it was incredibly relieving to have Windows set up and doing exactly what we wanted within an hour.

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nVidia drivers on a server? I think you're doing something wrong.

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Quote: "nVidia drivers on a server? I think you're doing something wrong."


Absolutley, the open source drivers should work well enough for a NAS server and are usually installed by default on most distros. I do remember having a lot of issues with installing the propietary drivers for it on ubuntu though.

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Quote: "nVidia drivers on a server? I think you're doing something wrong."


No. It's a server for our ~12TB of data storage, but it was also a media server. We were having problems with DLNA serving so we moved it to the lounge room and plugged it in with HDMI (to be controlled directly with wireless mouse and keyboard - not the best solution but we'll work something better out). This necessitated the use of actual drivers because Linux refused to display anything on the graphics card without them.

As it turns out, Windows has a bigger selection of drive pooling software including some commercial options which are more reliable and considerably faster than FUSE-based mhddfs. We're using Drive Bender.

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Quote: "We were having problems with DLNA serving so we moved it to the lounge room and plugged it in with HDMI (to be controlled directly with wireless mouse and keyboard - not the best solution but we'll work something better out)"

Then what you have is not a server. It's just a PC with a wireless keyboard.

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Quote: "Then what you have is not a server. It's just a PC with a wireless keyboard."


No, you didn't read my post - it's still a server. It is our main data storage and backup server and hosts game servers as well. It's also what we call our "skins server" for hosting our hacked offline Minecraft skins for 1.7 or below (unfortunately they changed the skins system for 1.8 and I have yet to figure out if it's possible to host our own skins in offline mode). And yes, we do own the game once for each player, but not requiring an internet connection or the launcher to play made it faster to start and was useful for modpacks.

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Quote: "No. It's a server for our ~12TB of data storage, but it was also a media server. We were having problems with DLNA serving so we moved it to the lounge room and plugged it in with HDMI (to be controlled directly with wireless mouse and keyboard - not the best solution but we'll work something better out). This necessitated the use of actual drivers because Linux refused to display anything on the graphics card without them."

That's what's called an HTPC and thus need different considerations. It's not a 'server' in the traditional sense, though it does have a file/game server capability. I think you simply dived too deep into the more experimental parts of Linux(particularly filesystems). Installing proprietary Nvidia graphics can be nightmarish though some distributions (OpenSUSE and some others, Arch maybe?) have streamlined the process as much as they can(most of the blame for this is laid at the feet of Nvidia, btw).

I'm sorry you had so many issues, but you didn't seem to ask for a lot of help here either. Or maybe I just missed it.

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Quote: "That's what's called an HTPC and thus need different considerations. It's not a 'server' in the traditional sense, though it does have a file/game server capability."


No, it's primarily a server. The media centre component is secondary.

Quote: "I think you simply dived too deep into the more experimental parts of Linux(particularly filesystems)."


I.e. setting up a server. None of the stuff we did (drive pooling, VNC, software RAID, DLNA serving) should have been difficult. That's all basic server stuff. Most of it worked fine, but Linux's dodgy interface and the fact that it's so difficult to install the most basic of drivers (I mean seriously, come on) meant we were constantly fighting the system. Why we didn't just go with Windows to begin with I'll never know. It does everything Linux did but way, way better.

Quote: "I'm sorry you had so many issues, but you didn't seem to ask for a lot of help here either."


No, I didn't ask for help because I rarely need to. The only problem we never solved was the drivers problem, and by the time I was ready to ask for help we had already decided to go with Windows. The rest of the problems we solved, worked around or just dealt with (like the awful Linux GUI).

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Quote: " I.e. setting up a server. None of the stuff we did (drive pooling, VNC, software RAID, DLNA serving) should have been difficult. That's all basic server stuff. Most of it worked fine, but Linux's dodgy interface and the fact that it's so difficult to install the most basic of drivers (I mean seriously, come on) meant we were constantly fighting the system. Why we didn't just go with Windows to begin with I'll never know. It does everything Linux did but way, way better."


Graphics drivers are not simple. They require some of the most invasive interfaces with the kernel to operate at high speeds, dealing with multi-core and multi-threading issues. There's a reason that very few device drivers have enough power and complexity to crash a modern system other than a graphics driver. They coordinate thousands of individual or clustered processors that are usually run in parallel, one of the hardest paradigms in modern programming. I don't mean to sound overly harsh, but modern GPUs are most definitely not a simple device to program a driver for.

As for fighting the system, did you expect there to be a professional GUI waiting for you in Linux or expecting a plug-n-play auto-configuration step for most of the packages you download? The Linux community often values flexibility and power over flashy or slick interfaces that auto configure the tools for you. That is very different from the Windows community where it is all about plug-n-play/wizard-drive configuration. Just a quick look at some of the tools and it seems that you only need to edit some configuration files and run some given terminal commands to get it up and running. Linux has a large learning curve, but I feel that it's worth it.

I don't mean to make assumptions, but it appears that you switched OSes and expected your software to be delivered and executed just like it is on Windows. While not necessarily unfair/unrealistic, it is somewhat naive.

Again, if I come across as angry or upset, rest assured I am not. I just get a little too passionate occasionally. Please let me know if I stepped over a line.

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Quote: "Graphics drivers are not simple. They require some of the most invasive interfaces with the kernel to operate at high speeds, dealing with multi-core and multi-threading issues. There's a reason that very few device drivers have enough power and complexity to crash a modern system other than a graphics driver. They coordinate thousands of individual or clustered processors that are usually run in parallel, one of the hardest paradigms in modern programming. I don't mean to sound overly harsh, but modern GPUs are most definitely not a simple device to program a driver for."


I never said they were simple, I said they were basic. My point being that they're just about the very first thing you install on a fresh system. They're absolutely necessary in most cases. They should be easy to install.

I understand that graphics drivers are incredibly complicated beasts to create, but they are an integral part of modern PCs and should require a degree in IT to use.

Quote: "did you expect there to be a professional GUI waiting for you in Linux or expecting a plug-n-play auto-configuration step for most of the packages you download?"


Yes, actually. I expected those features would be standard on any modern OS. It seems Linux is a long way behind in that respect.

Quote: "The Linux community often values flexibility and power over flashy or slick interfaces that auto configure the tools for you."


I don't care for "flashy" interfaces. I want practical, well-designed, smooth, fast and responsive interfaces. Linux does not do any of that whereas Windows does that AND gives me nearly as much flexibility as Linux. Windows is way underrated in that respect.

Quote: "That is very different from the Windows community where it is all about plug-n-play/wizard-drive configuration."


What we value is easy config and automated setups where appropriate; i.e. when it's unnecessary to force end-users to perform the configuration themselves. Linux just seems to take the "let's just make the users decide on good settings" approach.

Quote: "Just a quick look at some of the tools and it seems that you only need to edit some configuration files and run some given terminal commands to get it up and running"


You make it sound so simple. After using Lubuntu I realise just how smart Microsoft was when it comes to UI design. It's little things. For example, when you click an icon in the task bar in Lubuntu, nothing happens. You just have to assume that you actually managed to correctly click the icon. In Windows, the icon visually depresses and glows for a few seconds to make it very clear you clicked it. Another example is how Linux treats folders. In Windows, when I copy a folder and another folder exists with the same name, it asks me if I want to merge the folders, then it asks if I want to overwrite files. In Linux, folders are treated as files, so when I paste a folder and it asks if I want to merge the folders, ticking "Do this for all items" then proceeds to overwrite any duplicate files in the folder.

It's little things like that that make the Windows GUI feel so much more fluid and usable than Lubuntu's GUI.

Quote: "it appears that you switched OSes and expected your software to be delivered and executed just like it is on Windows."


To some degree, yes I did. For example, to install the graphics drivers I expected to download an executable file and run it (by double-clicking its icon). Then I expected a simple GUI to appear with options to select what components of the driver to install. Then I expected to click Install, have the screen flicker or go off, then (because, weirdly, I wouldn't expect Linux to be able to install drivers without restarting like Windows can) I expect to restart the PC and have any displays that were connected display at the correct resolution.

Quote: "While not necessarily unfair/unrealistic, it is somewhat naive."


For the past couple of years I've been told repeatedly by Linux fans that Linux is definitely as easy-to-use as Windows. Is it really that naive of me to expect things that are simple and natural on Windows to be equally simple on Linux?

Quote: "Again, if I come across as angry or upset, rest assured I am not. I just get a little too passionate occasionally. Please let me know if I stepped over a line."


Ha, don't panic; I'm probably more passionate about Windows than you are about Linux, and I'm more likely to step over the line

Quote: "There's a reason that very few device drivers have enough power and complexity to crash a modern system other than a graphics driver."


Just for the record, since I began using Windows 7 in 2011 I have seen maybe 5 crashes total, excluding the repeated BSODs we all had from installing Networx. On rare occasions (maybe once a month) the screen will go black for a second and then come back on, and Windows will report (in a little notification bubble in the system tray) that the graphics driver crashed and was restarted. Windows 7 is an incredibly stable OS.

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Quote: " I don't care for "flashy" interfaces. I want practical, well-designed, smooth, fast and responsive interfaces. Linux does not do any of that whereas Windows does that AND gives me nearly as much flexibility as Linux. Windows is way underrated in that respect."

Linux's base interfaces are text files and terminal commands, not GUIs. GUIs are in most cases wrappers for the terminal commands.

Quote: "What we value is easy config and automated setups where appropriate; i.e. when it's unnecessary to force end-users to perform the configuration themselves. Linux just seems to take the "let's just make the users decide on good settings" approach."

Because sometimes good defaults aren't possible. File servers and other network-based tools can't make all too many assumptions about your system/network because of the massive amount of variety in those systems.

Quote: "You make it sound so simple. After using Lubuntu I realise just how smart Microsoft was when it comes to UI design. It's little things. For example, when you click an icon in the task bar in Lubuntu, nothing happens. You just have to assume that you actually managed to correctly click the icon. In Windows, the icon visually depresses and glows for a few seconds to make it very clear you clicked it. Another example is how Linux treats folders. In Windows, when I copy a folder and another folder exists with the same name, it asks me if I want to merge the folders, then it asks if I want to overwrite files. In Linux, folders are treated as files, so when I paste a folder and it asks if I want to merge the folders, ticking "Do this for all items" then proceeds to overwrite any duplicate files in the folder.
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When commenting on UI aspects, please keep in mind you used a distribution that uses a very resource-light desktop environment(GUI). Lubuntu uses LXDE as its desktop environment, which is usually used when resources(RAM and CPU) are extremely tight on a machine but you still want a GUI. For a more full-featured GUI that's more similar to Windows in features, I'd recommend plain Ubuntu(Unity), Kubuntu(KDE) or OpenSUSE(KDE or GNOME).

As for the folders being treated like files, that's a fundamental difference between Windows and Linux. Linux doesn't see folders as anything more than a file that also happens to be a directory. In fact, the kernel treats all system objects as a file at a basic level. Although, bad tools are still bad tools. What file manager were you using?

Quote: "To some degree, yes I did. For example, to install the graphics drivers I expected to download an executable file and run it (by double-clicking its icon). Then I expected a simple GUI to appear with options to select what components of the driver to install. Then I expected to click Install, have the screen flicker or go off, then (because, weirdly, I wouldn't expect Linux to be able to install drivers without restarting like Windows can) I expect to restart the PC and have any displays that were connected display at the correct resolution."

Ubuntu seems to try to make it fairly painless. They provide packages that attempt to install the drivers and even have a wiki page that has some common troubleshooting steps. Link. In Linux, you rarely have to run an executable to install something. I honestly find that refreshing as I don't have to worry as much about the legitimacy of the file I'm downloading/running as the programs are curated by the distribution maintainers.

Quote: "Just for the record, since I began using Windows 7 in 2011 I have seen maybe 5 crashes total, excluding the repeated BSODs we all had from installing Networx. On rare occasions (maybe once a month) the screen will go black for a second and then come back on, and Windows will report (in a little notification bubble in the system tray) that the graphics driver crashed and was restarted. Windows 7 is an incredibly stable OS."

And for the record, I've never ever gotten a kernel panic or an "oopsie"(kernel crash) since I've started with Linux(~2011 as well).

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Posted: 17th Apr 2015 16:45
Quote: "When commenting on UI aspects, please keep in mind you used a distribution that uses a very resource-light desktop environment(GUI). Lubuntu uses LXDE as its desktop environment, which is usually used when resources(RAM and CPU) are extremely tight on a machine but you still want a GUI."


I am aware of that, which is why I specifically mentioned Lubuntu when referring to GUIs.

Quote: "Although, bad tools are still bad tools. What file manager were you using?"


Err... PCmanFM, I think? Whatever comes with Lubuntu by default.

Quote: "I've never ever gotten a kernel panic"


lol what? The kernel panics? Oh haha, I guess that's the Linux equivalent of a BSOD? When the kernel thinks something is drastically wrong and shuts everything down?

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Posted: 17th Apr 2015 16:59
Quote: " I am aware of that, which is why I specifically mentioned Lubuntu when referring to GUIs."

You still made a general statement about GUIs on Linux, even though you've only used the most stripped-down one possible. All the GUIs on Linux are all different from each other in some ways. Those pictures showed KDE Plasma 5, GNOME 3, Unity, XFCE4, and Cinnamon. Some distributions have better GUIs than others, I wouldn't pass complete judgment quite yet.

Quote: "lol what? The kernel panics? Oh haha, I guess that's the Linux equivalent of a BSOD? When the kernel thinks something is drastically wrong and shuts everything down?"

That's the Linux equivalent of a BSOD. It's pretty hard to induce, as I said, I've never had it happen.

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