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Bloodeath 6 6 6
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Posted: 30th Apr 2008 06:29 Edited at: 30th Apr 2008 06:35
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no, no i would, lol

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Lol, okay, well we'll see how close I can get to being finished tonight.

I still have... 3 Things to work through before I consider it to be "finished":

- Binding Entities to the Camera is buggy. Has to do with ODE Physics preventing object movement. (Find workaround to ODE)
- Non-character entity movement not working ... look into it more.
- Add in more Scripting capabilities for Cameras.


Those and removing the Bloom/Water systems that are implemented. Bloom is giving me Test Game headaches right now anyway (The Bloom effect is stretched out of place during a Test Game, but is perfectly fine in Built/OOE games), so I'll be happy to be rid of it, lol.

On top of that, I keep having great ideas popping into my head that I want implemented. Mainly scripting commands that could expand into more gameplay opportunities.


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Posted: 30th Apr 2008 06:41
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well get some caffiene and some nicotine, and call me in the morning lol

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Posted: 30th Apr 2008 06:43
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Couldn't those wait till V1.08 I'm so desperate *curls up in corner* Need vehicle, need vehicles, need vehicles

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Quote: "some caffiene and some nicotine"


Isn't that a little contradictory to their purposes?

One gives you energy and makes you hyper and the other is supposed to calm you down and make you relax.


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This is on the first page but:

Quote: "Lee seems highly interested in not only the camera control system, but in dual-wielding as well. If all goes well, he'll put this in the migration."


One thing first - Lee's also interesting in AirMod, but first we need to sort out this compatibility issue. Can you e-mail me saying exactly what you did to the gun code to get dual wielding to work? Or if your willing could you send me your source? I would hate to have to make Lee choose (especially since your other features will probably make you win ).


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Posted: 30th Apr 2008 07:13
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Lee should just add both

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Quote: "Isn't that a little contradictory to their purposes?

One gives you energy and makes you hyper and the other is supposed to calm you down and make you relax."



egh, i guess if thats how you look at it. but theyll keep you up all night working on my shiny new mod lol

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Quote: "Free Roaming between levels"


Plystire, THAT is indeed good news since i really missed this feature in FPSCreator since the beginning.

Quote: "removing the Bloom/Water systems that are implemented"


I dig your attitude towards eyecandy to a certain extend(if it trades for playability/framerate then simply forget about)-i guess if one learns how to texture and light a level properly he/she doesn't need fancy bloom anyway...But i want to contradict you at the waterfront
since water (and a weather system if i let my imagination run wild)could add to the realism of a game-and i don't mean the lame "just add water" to make a bland level look more interesting...

Since i read your variable tutorial my attention was drawn closer to learning fpi scripting, and third person camera as well as zoning(or free roaming as you express it)hooked me up even more. I started out from design, modeling and texturing but willing to extent my skills, i guess your mod will keep me busy when it comes out.

Keep up your excellent work, I'm looking tensedly forward to your release!

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I'm glad to hear your enthusiasm, daarboven.

Free Roaming has been possible in my Mod since V1.02, but I think with the next release, it will be much easier to achieve and with a much more realistic feel to it.

At first I was a little ... shall we say ... hesitant, in giving the users so much power with the scripting system. Reason being, with this power comes much easier ways to mess up your levels, fall out of the map, etc. And when using these powerful scripting commands, it'll much harder to determine where you went wrong, or what part of your script could be going wrong.

As for Water, I'll have to agree with you, but there are still some clipping issues with my original water code (Dealing with the shader) and it has started to become an increasing problem with the addition of more cameras for the shader to have to worry about. Along with that, Lee will be implementing Water into FPSC with the migration version and it seems a waste of my time to work on it when it'll be depricated as soon as the migration comes along. On top of that, Nighthawk has a much better water shader than I do and looks much better. Not sure about his physics over mine, but at least I gave him the water current idea, lol.


I do hope that I don't disappoint you with the release.


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Hey, ply im sorry if this is a stupid question but will 1.07 include all the previous modes you have made? And please dont Hit me if its in the readme (using my laptop right now, only my desktop has fpsc and stuff)

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Plystire ..

This is amazing .. Well done man

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@Punk:

Good question, believe it or not. Yes, V1.07 will include all the previous additions to Ply's Mod.

This means, on top of Camera related controls, you get:

- Dual Wielding
- Boat loads of new scripting commands
- My Named Variable system with NO cap on how many you can have


@Techno:

Thanks, man. I was wondering if you'd be around to see this.


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Quote: "My Named Variable system with NO cap on how many you can have"


TIS A LIE! I'm pretty sure it can only go to 2,147,483,647. You know, the whole integer limit thing...of course, you could define it as a double integer, which is limitd to 9,223,372,036,854,775,807...




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Posted: 1st May 2008 01:43
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No! Ply you cheater! I wanted my 10 billion variables

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Um, Airslide. I'm not using a datatype for the number of variables you can have.

What it is, is an expanding array. When the user dims a variable, it expands the array by 1, and uses the new slot to store the variables information. When a user destroys a variable, then that variables slot is destroyed as well, thus allowing them to clean up variables that are no longer needed, and cut back on the amount of variables to be run through when altering them. The "cap" on this system is now determined by how large an array can be in DBP. I haven't yet reached that (And I've put stupid high numbers into the array declaration before, like 100000), so I highly doubt any users would.

Also, I've just upgraded the "search" routine for the variables. I now have it set up as a "look-up" routine. Much like finding a book in the library. This means, if you got hundreds of variables, the system won't dive into it, starting from "A" when the variable it's looking for starts with "Q".


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Posted: 1st May 2008 02:10 Edited at: 1st May 2008 02:10
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No, it's the value read in by the script, which is kept as a variable, that has a cap Stupidly high yes, but I'm just being silly


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OH!!! You're talking about the values that the variables themselves can hold! Yes, of course they have a cap.

But I didn't say they didn't, I said:
Quote: "My Named Variable system with NO cap on how many you can have"


LOL


For reference... the variables in my system are declared as floating point numbers. I vouched for this so that in-depth calculations won't be messed up by being required to be a whole number. Calculations I'm speaking of would be like... taking a percent of the normal damage. You would need a decimal number in order to do that.


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Nope, still not talking about that, but nevermind


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Ah, I know what you mean.



The "value" is also declared as a float. Making it perfectly compatible witht he variable system.


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You still don't

Nevermind. Lol.


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Hey, ply so your saying if someone buys the mod they get all the mods you make after this one free? and i wasn't quit clear on the watermark, are you saying if someone buys the mod then their copy will be watermark Free?

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@Punk:

Yes, if you buy any version of my Mod, you'll get all subsequent releases of Ply's Mod for free.

And yes, if you buy the Mod, then the Watermark will not appear at all if you Build a Game with it. Using Ply's Mod as a "post-build Mod" will cause the Watermark to reappear, though.


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one last question since im a freakin retard i didnt understand what this meant sorry
Quote: "if you Build a Game with it. Using Ply's Mod as a "post-build Mod" will cause the Watermark to reappear, though."

and have you decided the final Price?

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Well done!
Steve has gotten this in the newsletter! Keep it up plystire!
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Woot!!! It's a watermark! And I'm happy about it!

Thanks for the mention, BatVink!


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Pfft, watermark, smatermark

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Quote: "Using Ply's Mod as a "post-build Mod" will cause the Watermark to reappear, though."


Wait... What? So if we actually make a game with your mod, then we are bound to the splash screen and watermark?

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Only in the free version. That is 100% fair.
Quote: "Wait... What? So if we actually make a game with your mod, then we are bound to the splash screen and watermark?"




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Oops... I misread that...

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Good Job Plystire! Looks good...


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@xyzz:

Sorry, I should have been a bit more clear on that.

Post-Build Mod:
A Modified source not used to create a game, but instead copied into the compiled game's folder after the game has been built.

So, this means to use it as a post-build mod, you DIDN'T use the Mod to build the game. If you used the normal FPSC executable to build a game, for example, then copied Plys Mod into the built game's folder, the splash screen will appear whether or not you have the non-free version.

If you build your game with the purchased Mod, then you won't have the splash screen. So no need to worry.


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This is truly breath-taking Plystire!

It is one thing to bless us with a dual-wield feature, an armor feature, a cash system, and a million and one other things, but to give us the possibilities to have turrets and vehicles is truly going above and beyond. You have made the most out of the physics system FPSC gives you. If AirMod and PlyMod were to merge, I wouldn't need ragdolls or a bloom shader, I'd be just fine with this.

Keep up the fantastic work, Ply, and good luck on your future modding en devours,
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AirMod, hm?


Okay, Poll Time!!!

Q. Should AirMod be merged into Plys Mod for V1.07?

a) Yes!
b) No.


Saying yes, means taht you understand that V1.07 will not be released as soon as it can be. It may take me another week or so to get AirMod fully implemented into Plys Mod, I may even need to alter Airslide's code a bunch to make it compatible with my own. This is especially true since we both have edits to the weapon system.


I'll tally up the votes in this post.


Tally Marks:

Yes (8)
No (1)



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It would be awsome if this will be merged with airmod... Plairmod so my vote is YES
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Does my vote count ? [do it - do it - do it!]

EDIT: Oh, and I can send the latest version of 0.6 over if ya want.


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YES, FOR THE LOVE OF AIRMOD Maybe Airlide will even let you get an early version of V0.6

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I don't think the Mod is going to be renamed, lol.

Of course, Airslide will have credit where credit is due. I know how important recognition is for a programmer.

@Airslide:

The merging isn't going to be ready for a little bit. If I get enough votes to do it, it will be merged once V1.07 has had all visible bugs squished. Then, I'll request your latest source for V0.6, and then more bug squishing begins.

If this goes through, I think I'll estimate completion around a few weeks from now.


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hi Plystire
very nice piece of work u got there
i think u stick to what u have done and release ur 1.07 the great addon
i think i wont b able to hold on for another day not few weeks
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Well, it's really a choice of wait less time and get what Ply has now, or wait a tad longer and get additional features that make the mod even more useful. Once Ply is setup to integrate AirMod it shouldn't take all that much time, the only parts I'm worried about would be the animation for ironsights/alternate which he should be able to fix up using his own method rather easily.


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YES! Merge them!

It only looks like I know what I'm talking about.
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'Kay, so we got a No and another "YES!"


I'll continue to work on this and once I'm done, we'll see how the votes stand.


Airslide, I think the real choice is, get what I have after cleaning up bugs and be able to have a system completely designed by one person, who knows where potential bugs may be, or wait a little longer, maybe have a merged system that could potentially be disagreeing with itself because it's comprised of two different parts and may have caused further issues during the merge.

If I do merge, though, I'm going to take the extra time to properly check for bugs and whatnot after the merge, and depending on what I find will determine the extra amount of time it'll take to complete.


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Quote: "wait a little longer, maybe have a merged system that could potentially be disagreeing with itself because it's comprised of two different parts and may have caused further issues during the merge."


Shhh....they need not know this

Most of my code is pretty isolated though, so you shouldn't have too much trouble. Nothing, as I recall, was much of a quick hack (except for some FPSC bug fixes, possible) and was done to mach with how FPSC does things (except for switching alternate fire - the variable for that is kept in the gun's individual settings, and while I could have done it differently, this works fine).


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Yeah, most of the time I keep to the way things have been done in FPSC... but there's always that one thing that you can't do it like that, you hafta just go your own way to get it to work, and sometimes even alter other parts of FPSC to comply with what you're trying to do.

It's a real bear fight sometimes, but it gets done and it looks good in the end.


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YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES!!! And who is the imbecile who said no? I shall have to ask him where he lives and come 'round to his house and give him a nice bash on the head with the baseball bat from MP5.

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further up the page, bironeo wrote:

Quote: "i think u stick to what u have done and release ur 1.07 the great addon
i think i wont b able to hold on for another day not few weeks"


I took that as a "No".


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Here's my two cents:

I think you should wait and release 1.07

BUT

afterwards, maybe you and AirSlide can work on another project that implements both of your mods. So this way you both have your versions out (final or not) and there will be a combined version as well. And there is no doubt in my mind that PlyMod+AirMod should go for $20 at least, no free version because of the effort it will take.

Either don't count me as a vote or count me for voting yes and no.

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Quote: "no free version because of the effort it will take."


Well, I've already come up with a way to allow both free and non-free. I'd like people to be able to use my Mod before choosing to buy, you know?


What exactly do you mean by "wait and release 1.07"? Are you saying to release without merging? Wait for something to happen?


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Hey, ply if you merge it can we still buy it and get your future mods free?

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