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Black Profductions
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Posted: 5th Jan 2010 17:29 Edited at: 5th Jan 2010 18:09
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Eai, when should we spect a release?
And how is the scar doing?

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good question, I'm dying over here



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Sorry, I couldn't resist bumping. I think it deserves to be paid attention to...

And also for selfish reasons, did you get my e-mail?

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Sorry. I've been procrastinating

Resend the email, PWP.
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Resent...

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Errant, did you recive my mail?

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I think EAI knew more about MW2 than we did before it came out. I remember these guys thread starting before MW2 was more than a twinkle in a potential buyers eye. I never knew the force in MW2 was going to be the TF141, what a coincidence that errant would name these ones TF341. (they're 200 times better than 141 ) also, note the skull mask. no trailer said anything about ghost's skull mask. also, I could swear I see one who has what appears to be a soap-hawk. EAI, are you like... a secret MW2 character designer who edited a few of his creations to look more generic and released them here? If you're not allowed to tell us than that's ok, but




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Posted: 10th Jan 2010 21:10
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EAI, I think my friend sent you an email a while ago about some requests or work, but you haven't gotten back yet. It would be greatly appreciated if you could get back at the next available time.

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Posted: 11th Jan 2010 17:21
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Any unanswered emails, please resend and include your forum name in the subject line. I'll be replying to PWP's shortly. Thanks for re-sending.

@Bugsy- LOL! I was actually sort of perturbed when I saw the MW2 Ghost character had the skull balaclava because it makes me look like a copycat. Coincidences are likely just the simple result of artists drawing inspiration from the same sources. This is why you should try to take inspiration from life and not games. If you wait for a game to show you something, it's already old and has been perverted by someone else's interpretation of it.

The hair design is combination Marine-style high/tight and Faux-hawk which was apparently popular with Navy spec-war operators in the reference I was using. It's also easy to model/map.

AFIK, special mission units are sometimes assigned TFXXX identifiers. I think the first publicly known group sent to Afghanistan was TF-121 or something like that.

The choice of TF-341 should be obvious:

3=E
4=A
1=I



I've never played MW2 or MW1 even. I had a recruiter repeatedly trying to get me to apply for a position at IW back in the day but I was in mid-crunch on another project which I was foolishly loyal to and had no desire to make WWII clone-sequel games. I was bummed when later finding out they had decided to go modern-day. Ho-hum.
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Posted: 11th Jan 2010 20:27
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oh, Interesting, you had an answer for everything that made complete sense. Darn, I thought we had an infinity ward modeler using FPSC. no matter, we've got something better: 341



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Quote: "I've never played MW2 or MW1 even. I had a recruiter repeatedly trying to get me to apply for a position at IW back in the day but I was in mid-crunch on another project which I was foolishly loyal to and had no desire to make WWII clone-sequel games. I was bummed when later finding out they had decided to go modern-day. Ho-hum."


WHOA! Dude, are you serious? That's freaking awesome.

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I'm not suprised.



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Quote: "Bond1 has yet to release any media/fx using SM2 for characters"


An all new Sm2.0 character shader will be in the next official FPSC update, in internal development now. It will use Valve's Half-Lambert lighting algorithm, and pull directional light info directly from FPSC. Just thought you'd want to know.

What you DON'T want to do, is use a shader that does not contain GPU skinning code. Without it, all the skeletal deformation work is passed to the CPU, where it is hella-slow. Same for weapons, bumpcubereflectalpha is fine for the default weapons, but bad to use on weapons that have skinned hands.

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Quote: "I've never played MW2 or MW1 even."


Well that's okay.

COD4 is just be best FPS this gen and well MW2... MW2 just plain sucked. Biggest disappointment I've ever played.


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MW1- best multiplayer

MW2- best story mode, even though the plot was bad, it was just more exciting, balls to the wall scenes that made MW1 great. I would strongly suggest EAI play either, as he would get some great character or gun inspiration.



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Quote: "MW2... MW2 just plain sucked. Biggest disappointment I've ever played."


Rubbish. MW2 has unbalanced and garbage multiplayer but is still digital crack, but the SP was damned epic. Best campaign I've ever played, without a doubt.

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Agreed with toasty, it's so fun to run through the SpecOps campaign with my friends.

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Quote: "The choice of TF-341 should be obvious:

3=E
4=A
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I see what you did there.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2010 17:49 Edited at: 12th Jan 2010 22:41
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Quote: "COD4 is just be best FPS this gen and well MW2... MW2 just plain sucked. Biggest disappointment I've ever played."


Cod4 was the best game this gen... Until they took down the servers and ruined connection for me Now i do like MW2 cause my online is playable...

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Replied, thanks Errant

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Posted: 13th Jan 2010 09:21
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Quote: "Rubbish. MW2 has unbalanced and garbage multiplayer but is still digital crack, but the SP was damned epic. Best campaign I've ever played, without a doubt."


MW2, SP story was confusing, made no sense and just plain sucked. The only good thing was snowmobile racing and watching the Russians absolutely destroy America.

COD4 had a way better story and was a hell of a lot more fun.


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Quote: "SP story was confusing, made no sense"


I didn't get the story either when I played through it (and still don't), but let's be honest - how many people actually bought Modern Warfare 2 for the story? It remains my favorite game for both multiplayer and singleplayer.

I think we might be getting a little side tracked here.

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Quote: "An all new Sm2.0 character shader will be in the next official FPSC update, in internal development now. It will use Valve's Half-Lambert lighting algorithm, and pull directional light info directly from FPSC. Just thought you'd want to know."


Wow! That's fantastic news! Any idea when that update will be? Or how to set up spec. maps for that particular shader? I'm currently using bumpbone and, well, it leaves a bit to be desired. I'd love to be able to default FPEs to the new shader because I have no doubt they would look a million times better. Right now, I'm banging my head against the wall because shiny cammies makes me want to hurl.

Quote: "MW2"


Interesting. I was surprised to see it in a store yesterday and almost bought it (Non-EA games often don't get distributed here). I'll wait though. Don't need any extra distractions right now. I'm more of an SP guy, myself. The exception was BF2 because I loved using the LAV and watching guys do crazy maneuvers with the aircraft.
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I just dislike CoD In general.

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For christ sake, can you all stop talking about CoD? You're overly spamming EAI's topic.

If you want to talk about MW2, then go to the geek culture forum and talk about it there, not here.
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Posted: 13th Jan 2010 22:48 Edited at: 13th Jan 2010 22:48
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I do love EAI material.

(I have a thread on COD6, spam that )

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I never realised until now Errant and I have the same name

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Replied again, sorry for all the e-mailing.

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Posted: 14th Jan 2010 00:38 Edited at: 14th Jan 2010 00:39
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Quote: "Wow! That's fantastic news! Any idea when that update will be? Or how to set up spec. maps for that particular shader? I'm currently using bumpbone and, well, it leaves a bit to be desired. I'd love to be able to default FPEs to the new shader because I have no doubt they would look a million times better. Right now, I'm banging my head against the wall because shiny cammies makes me want to hurl."


Yeah bumpbone is really nasty, the lighting is so harsh it's hard to make anything look good.

I don't know exactly when the update will be, but I if it drags on too long I can get a copy to you for testing your character. Spec map can be color or grayscale, and has a 2x multiplier for allowing the shiny stuff really pop, so your spec map should be fairly dark overall. The path name of the new shader is "effectbank\ps_2_0\skinning_norm_spec.fx" if you want to prepare your fpe files in advance for FPSC 1.17. This will replace the bumpbone shader in the fpe files for all stock characters.

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does this mean these characters will be unusable without FPSC v1.17? or can't use other shaders?



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Quote: "does this mean these characters will be unusable without FPSC v1.17? or can't use other shaders?"


Not at all, they can use any suitable shader! They will just look better with the new shader included with 1.17, that I imagine Errant will want to use as their default. He's spent an awful lot of time on these characters, so I'm sure he'll want them to look their best with the new 1.17 shader as the default setting.

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oh, ok. for my games to work on all computers, I usually don't use shaders.



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Quote: "For christ sake, can you all stop talking about CoD? You're overly spamming EAI's topic.
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Even though EAI was talking about it as well?

It's better that this thread is getting some activity than being back on page 3 and forgotten about.


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Quote: "I don't know exactly when the update will be, but I if it drags on too long I can get a copy to you for testing your character. Spec map can be color or grayscale, and has a 2x multiplier for allowing the shiny stuff really pop, so your spec map should be fairly dark overall. The path name of the new shader is "effectbank\ps_2_0\skinning_norm_spec.fx" if you want to prepare your fpe files in advance for FPSC 1.17. This will replace the bumpbone shader in the fpe files for all stock characters."


If it's possible, I'd love an eval. copy of the shader. I'm nearly finished compiling the final textures with AO bakes and such. I'd love to be able to get spec maps out of the way as well and currently, I don't think I have any .fx shaders which support spec (well). Frankly I'd love to be able to tune the spec-maps from the getgo because I know your shader is going to be capable of subtlety.

Most of my guys are dirty/dusty and I think there's a lot of opportunity for subtle spec effects.



Just for clarification though, will this new skinning_norm_spec.fx shader work with versions of FPSC prior to v1.17? (I'm guessing so if it's something which can be tested earlier but just checking)

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How many characters are in this pack? and is there a release date set or no.

How much will this pack be also

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EAI, I am using Unity to make a MW game now, so if I bought these could you send them to me in .FBX file format?


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i also need these to be standalone enabled

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lol where did you find the crack for the $1699 dollar program you say you are using. General Jackson. I know you couldn't have bought it.

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Where did you find the money for whatever you're smoking? Unity's free dude.

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EAI, having some issues with PayPal, check your e-mail again.

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To be honest I don't like the pack at all...


Who am i kidding? It looks great Cant wait for a release date

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I find this ironic considering EAI is using a $3 500 piece of software to make this pack (and, as said above, Unity is free.)

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Errant did you recive my reply from the mail or should i resend it?

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Yup unity indie is free
and I have 960 bucks saved up towards pro

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What do you think industry standard modelers use? Sketchup?

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True, but it was more of a poorly thought out argument than anything.

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Yes, good point.

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Sorry, but I lol'd hard at that

Quote: "EAI, I am using Unity to make a MW game now, so if I bought these could you send them to me in .FBX file format?"


I haven't had tome to register or do the groundwork setup for Unity yet. Do you have things ready and able to load up models? I could use a tester for the .FBX pipeline.

Quote: "i also need these to be standalone enabled"


What are you using?

Quote: "How many characters are in this pack? and is there a release date set or no.

How much will this pack be also"


Pricing, release and content are yet undetermined. Currently 10 meshes with 3 texture variations each for a total of 30 editor-ready characters. The thing that makes me squeamish is filesize. That's (uncompressed) 360MB in diffuse textures alone and then add shader maps and 60-ish MB in .x files. It may somehow need to be broken up or it may end up being on the high-end of the pricing spectrum, alongside Bond1's metro theater pack. What I DO NOT want to do is have you guys paying for texture variations off GSC or something. In fact I want the restrictions very loose regarding sharing of re-textures and texture mods for these guys. I am open to suggestions on this matter because I haven't devoted a lot of thought to it. I'd like to have community input on product packing.

I am now very close to needing release candidate testing! It's now mostly down to polishing and tying up loose ends (such as spec. maps). This weekend, I am finishing up processing normal maps and will then screenshot and render all the chars. in this set; for (hopefully) the last round of forum C&C and to update the OP. I will be contacting beta testers around Monday-ish.

To all who resent and are awaiting email replies: I will be doing replies tomorrow/sat. Please understand that I am often not online for long sessions during the weekdays.

To all interested parties: Due to a high volume of inquiries, I will be temporarily making the FNSCAR/EGL alt-fire weapon available at the end of next week. I will also be sending out updates to the handful who have already purchased this. Due to the mod-reliant nature of this weapon, this version will likely never make it to GCS. More info to come later.
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*raises hand*

I could import a static, looped animation version to show what it looks like with default shaders in Source. With a video for you guys ofc

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Quote: "Do you have things ready and able to load up models? I could use a tester for the .FBX pipeline.
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Yep, I can test 'em, i have loads of stuff imported into Unity, .fbx too.
Just send 'em my way

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Why? it is free

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